Tom Carter

[fatprop]

Just listened to the lastest ruggamatrix and Link & Kiss talked about a key reason to put Carter into your team.

His chase.

The conversation was about kicking games and what else is needed, but I will have to watch this a bit closer.

The premise was if you are going to have a kicking game, have players that are going to chase and create the pressure and wingers that work hard etc.

 

[RugbyReg]

excellent, finally we have found 1 reason to pick him.

 

[Scarfman]

I don't understand the bagging of Carter. There are plenty of players worth less than 1.0 Carters. Exciting rugby league import Timanu Tahu comes to mind.

 

[fatprop]

Can you remember the last time Tahu was given the ball is space? Horne has suffered the same infliction

 

[cyclopath]

Can you remember the last time Tahu was given the ball is space? Horne has suffered the same infliction

At training! ;D

 

[disco]

Considering he was a great defender in league Tahu sure falls off a lot of tackles. He also turns over a lot of ball in attack.

 

[Ash]

Carter does work very hard chasing the ball. He also works hard in defence. I've noticed those things about him before - and his successful tackle % on the front page is unsurprising. 3 reasons to pick him, not just 1.

However, Carter is a completely uninspiring player. Tom Carter should be playing for the Bulls team from 2+ years ago. He is a completely limited player, and can't distribute. He can't run into or find holes. He can't step. For those reasons alone, I wouldn't select him.

NSW don't score many tries, and aren't exciting on attack. You need to look no further than one T. Carter for a main reason. As inspiring or hard working as Carter may be, if you need to score points to win, then Carter is the wrong selection.

 

[naza]

Carter does work very hard chasing the ball. He also works hard in defence. I've noticed those things about him before - and his successful tackle % on the front page is unsurprising. 3 reasons to pick him, not just 1.

Carter is the grafter of the backline. He does the unglamourous work - chasing kicks, hitting the breakdown, diving on loose pill, running the crash option - and is easily the best defensive back we have. He fills the same sort of role Ben Jacobs and Jason Madz did for us.

However, Carter is a completely uninspiring player. Tom Carter should be playing for the Bulls team from 2+ years ago. He is a completely limited player, and can't distribute. He can't run into or find holes. He can't step. For those reasons alone, I wouldn't select him.

Doesn't seem to hurt Berrick Barnes aka Flately II.

 

[fatprop]

Carter does work very hard chasing the ball. He also works hard in defence. I've noticed those things about him before - and his successful tackle % on the front page is unsurprising. 3 reasons to pick him, not just 1.

Carter is the grafter of the backline. He does the unglamourous work - chasing kicks, hitting the breakdown, diving on loose pill, running the crash option - and is easily the best defensive back we have. He fills the same sort of role Ben Jacobs and Jason Madz did for us.

However, Carter is a completely uninspiring player. Tom Carter should be playing for the Bulls team from 2+ years ago. He is a completely limited player, and can't distribute. He can't run into or find holes. He can't step. For those reasons alone, I wouldn't select him.

Doesn't seem to hurt Berrick Barnes aka Flately II.

Barnes can pass and kick

 

[naza]

Carter does work very hard chasing the ball. He also works hard in defence. I've noticed those things about him before - and his successful tackle % on the front page is unsurprising. 3 reasons to pick him, not just 1.

Carter is the grafter of the backline. He does the unglamourous work - chasing kicks, hitting the breakdown, diving on loose pill, running the crash option - and is easily the best defensive back we have. He fills the same sort of role Ben Jacobs and Jason Madz did for us.

However, Carter is a completely uninspiring player. Tom Carter should be playing for the Bulls team from 2+ years ago. He is a completely limited player, and can't distribute. He can't run into or find holes. He can't step. For those reasons alone, I wouldn't select him.

Doesn't seem to hurt Berrick Barnes aka Flately II.

Barnes can pass and kick

So the theory goes. Except like Flately, his alleged passing ability doesn't create anything but cannon fodder for opposition defences. And he kicks the pill way too much. Nobody can suck the life out of attack like Flately II.

Oh, and let's not forget - Barnes at 12 has no running game. None whatsoever ! What's the point of a centre who can't make a line break ? Carter at least can cart it up and offload.

 

[Ash]

So the theory goes. Except like Flately, his alleged passing ability doesn't create anything but cannon fodder for opposition defences. And he kicks the pill way too much. Nobody can suck the life out of attack like Flately II.

Oh, and let's not forget - Barnes at 12 has no running game. None whatsoever ! What's the point of a centre who can't make a line break ? Carter at least can cart it up and offload.

Funny, because Barnes has 4 line breaks, 1 try, 1 try assist, 8 tackle busts, 9 offloads this year. And this hasn't been a great year for him, either.

Tom Carter has: 0, 0, 0, 10 and 4 offloads. Whoa, wonderful stats there from a hard running offloading inside centre.

Mmmmmm. Stats.

Naza, you thrashwank over backs in Australia not being able to pass and kick, yet love Carter?

 

[Novocastrian]

So the theory goes. Except like Flately, his alleged passing ability doesn't create anything but cannon fodder for opposition defences. And he kicks the pill way too much. Nobody can suck the life out of attack like Flately II.

Oh, and let's not forget - Barnes at 12 has no running game. None whatsoever ! What's the point of a centre who can't make a line break ? Carter at least can cart it up and offload.

Intriguing that Barnes is Flatley II due to an over reliance on kicking and a lack of passing or linebreaking ability yet Carter, who's sole attacking ability is tuck the ball under the arm run up to (not through) the defensive line and get tackled, offers more ? :nta:

 

[cyclopath]

So the theory goes. Except like Flately, his alleged passing ability doesn't create anything but cannon fodder for opposition defences. And he kicks the pill way too much. Nobody can suck the life out of attack like Flately II.

Oh, and let's not forget - Barnes at 12 has no running game. None whatsoever ! What's the point of a centre who can't make a line break ? Carter at least can cart it up and offload.

Intriguing that Barnes is Flatley II due to an over reliance on kicking and a lack of passing or linebreaking ability yet Carter, who's sole attacking ability is tuck the ball under the arm run up to (not through) the defensive line and get tackled, offers more ? :nta:

Exactly, I mean that's why we have Nathan Sharpe around!

 

[disco]

And he kicks the pill way too much. Nobody can suck the life out of attack like Flately II.

Oh, and let's not forget - Barnes at 12 has no running game. None whatsoever ! What's the point of a centre who can't make a line break ? Carter at least can cart it up and offload.

Barnes is the best playmaker in OZ, he creates gaps for others although I do agree he needs to cut back on the kicking especially on attack when his league mentality can take over & he grubbers or chips into the in-goal.

 

[Gagger]

He seems perfect for NSWs top of the table game plan. I'm surprised that anyone's surprised. Nathan Grey anyone?

 

[naza]

So the theory goes. Except like Flately, his alleged passing ability doesn't create anything but cannon fodder for opposition defences. And he kicks the pill way too much. Nobody can suck the life out of attack like Flately II.

Oh, and let's not forget - Barnes at 12 has no running game. None whatsoever ! What's the point of a centre who can't make a line break ? Carter at least can cart it up and offload.

Funny, because Barnes has 4 line breaks, 1 try, 1 try assist, 8 tackle busts, 9 offloads this year. And this hasn't been a great year for him, either.

Tom Carter has: 0, 0, 0, 10 and 4 offloads. Whoa, wonderful stats there from a hard running offloading inside centre.

Mmmmmm. Stats.

Naza, you thrashwank over backs in Australia not being able to pass and kick, yet love Carter?

I respect Carter's ability and lament that other more talented backs fail to play with his intensity, directness and passion. Barnes is playing far more minutes than Carter so not exactly hard for him to rack up the stats. And Beale has been useless at 10, with Carter getting far less opportunities than last season. Anyway, forget that bullshit. Who would you prefer to tackle ? Who would you prefer to run at ? There's your answer.

Barnes as the incumbent Wallaby 12 is the benchmark. And he's Golly gosh! got nothing. People like to theorise about 'oh, swap Tahu and Horne around and farking magic will happen and we'll rape teams in attack'. Get the fark out of town. Carter does his job very well. But hey, let's bash him because he's not a Tahu who misses 5 tackles, runs sideways and knocks on 3 times per game.

 

[Cutter]

He seems perfect for NSWs top of the table game plan. I'm surprised that anyone's surprised. Nathan Grey anyone?

Nathan Grey was 3 Tom Carters. He had a good boat, a better offload and could distribute. In fact, he started at 10 once for the Wallabies and shuffled in there once (at Melbourne and Twickers respectively I think). He is no Timmy Horan, but he is a far superior product to Carter.

Having said that, I dont blame Hickey for picking Carter. The reality is that Tahu hasnt stepped up. Who do you reckon that the selectors were pencilling in at 12 and 13 during the off season? You can bet it would have been a combination of Tahu and Horne. Carter is doing a job and Tahu isnt. Carter isnt doing the job they anticipated the 12 would be doing but he is doing enough.

 

[mark_s]

Youve been drinking again haven't you Naza

 

[Gagger]

He seems perfect for NSWs top of the table game plan. I'm surprised that anyone's surprised. Nathan Grey anyone?

Nathan Grey was 3 Tom Carters.

Can you give me those rose tinted nostalgia glasses back some time Cutter?

Hey, I too argued Grey's merits at the time, like I'd argue Carter's now.

Agree Grey had a better offload, but ace distributor I certainly don't remember. I believe he covered 10 because there was no-one else due to injury??? He also had a penchant for cheap penalties and yellow cards.

 

[cyclopath]

Slightly OT, but I wonder whether Tahu might have fared better at 12 outside Hangers than Beale. Beale wasn't exactly putting players away, and Tahu seemed to struggle with knowing where he had to be both in attack and defence. His abilities 1 on 1 are not in doubt I think. Hangers is more "predictable" in his play at 10 and maybe that would work better for Tahu. My gut feeling is that he has not really been used well, and chopped and changed around too much.
Carter is solid enough, and a good defender which I like, but there's no x-factor.