Thoughts on a Possible Law Change

[Dam0]

The length of a sin bin plays no part in my decision to send someone to the bin. If they have done something to warrant getting sent to the bin then they are going, it's pretty simple really.

Kind of a tautological thing to say though isn't it? I mean everyone can agree with the statement that "if they deserve 10 minutes in the bin" then they will get 10 minutes in the bin.

The issue that I have often wondered out loud about is that 10 minutes in the bin is often a punishment that doesn't fit the crime, and yet a mere penalty is probably insufficient and so perhaps there should be a middle punishment that does. I'm thinking of instances like where a player fails to retreat 10m at a quick tap and makes a tackle somewhere near the halfway line where there is little chance of a breakout try - it is cynical and pretty stupid and yet giving him fully 10 minutes would be excessive. If I could pull out my green card and say "see you in 3 minutes" then I probably would.

Anyway, just a suggestion.

 

[Bullrush]

S15 games can be very fast but a fast free flowing test match is a rare beast indeed.

As for running it out of your own half, I don't think that was his point and I'm not sure that was even mentioned. He also didn't want possession guaranteed. The foundation for the thoughts were facilitating quick ball and eliminating defences slowing the ball down. Increasing the contest.

I don't see how penalising players with more sin-bin offences will increase the contest.

 

[Phil]

I think the 5 min sin is a good idea as I agree most refs are reluctant to give the 10 until too many infringements have occurred.
The game at present doesn't need much rule changing but what I would like to see trialled(emphasise trialled,not adopted), is getting the defence back maybe 5 metres.Not trying to turn it into league,but the defence is so good these days that they are right on top of the attacking team.You also see a lot of very marginal offside play but not many penalties given.

 

[Bruwheresmycar]

You must be a fan of pick and drives?

 

[boyo]

It's good to see discussion on the merits of another YC period. I don't the answer, but am prepared to listen to opinions.

 

[elementfreak]

Kind of a tautological thing to say though isn't it? I mean everyone can agree with the statement that "if they deserve 10 minutes in the bin" then they will get 10 minutes in the bin.

The issue that I have often wondered out loud about is that 10 minutes in the bin is often a punishment that doesn't fit the crime, and yet a mere penalty is probably insufficient and so perhaps there should be a middle punishment that does. I'm thinking of instances like where a player fails to retreat 10m at a quick tap and makes a tackle somewhere near the halfway line where there is little chance of a breakout try - it is cynical and pretty stupid and yet giving him fully 10 minutes would be excessive. If I could pull out my green card and say "see you in 3 minutes" then I probably would.

Anyway, just a suggestion.

I don't disagree with you, however I think it is all about how you "sell the card".

For example I am sending someone to the bin for repeat infringements in the red zone, I will always have warned the captain by now and my little speal to the captain will be something along the lines of "I have asked you to get your team to stop infringing in this area, you have failed to do that. This man is going to the bin" it puts the onus back on both the player and captain and tells them that this card is not something I want to do but something they have forced me to do.

Make sense?

 

[Dam0]

I don't disagree with you, however I think it is all about how you "sell the card".

For example I am sending someone to the bin for repeat infringements in the red zone, I will always have warned the captain by now and my little speal to the captain will be something along the lines of "I have asked you to get your team to stop infringing in this area, you have failed to do that. This man is going to the bin" it puts the onus back on both the player and captain and tells them that this card is not something I want to do but something they have forced me to do.

Make sense?

Oh yes, and that is pretty much how I operate as well. There's no doubt that this is the best way to manage offending under the current system. It does leave us open to the complaint that sometimes by the time we get around to actually taking action it is too late. Certainly that is the complaint I recall hearing after the Reds v Brumbies game a few weeks ago - and for balance - the complaint I remember making myself after last years Reds v Highlanders game.

 

[Rassie]

Really?

I said that with a tongue in the cheek but to answer your question Yes REALLY! 2007 and 2009. Though 2007 ones was cleverly tweaked. Can you tell me which law I am referring to here?