This is a fucking disgrace

[hi-jinks]

NSW have provided the talent for QLD side for years.

Which years exactly? Sure Qld has had some talent from NSW over the years but there has been a few head south also.

Matt Ryan
Michael Foley
Andrew Blades
Adrian Skeggs
Scott Webster
Jason Reily
Fletcher Dyson

wow, there's your front rowers for a start. Should I embarrass you some more? Are you still worried day light saving is fading your curtains?

 

[RugbyReg]

NSW have provided the talent for QLD side for years.

Which years exactly? Sure Qld has had some talent from NSW over the years but there has been a few head south also.

Matt Ryan
Michael Foley
Andrew Blades
Adrian Skeggs
Scott Webster
Jason Reily
Fletcher Dyson

wow, there's your front rowers for a start. Should I embarrass you some more? Are you still worried day light saving is fading your curtains?

All, bar Dyson and Blades possibly, worked their way up through the Brisbane club competition.

 

[Scarfman]

You forgot to add a smiley or winking emoticon, hi-jinks.

 

[hi-jinks]

NSW have provided the talent for QLD side for years.

Which years exactly? Sure Qld has had some talent from NSW over the years but there has been a few head south also.

Matt Ryan
Michael Foley
Andrew Blades
Adrian Skeggs
Scott Webster
Jason Reily
Fletcher Dyson

wow, there's your front rowers for a start. Should I embarrass you some more? Are you still worried day light saving is fading your curtains?

All, bar Dyson and Blades possibly, worked their way up through the Brisbane club competition.

Turn it right up Nodster.
They were deadset all produced down South. Lee Grant could be a star in the Brisbane comp.

 

[disco]

Matt Ryan
Michael Foley
Andrew Blades
Adrian Skeggs
Scott Webster
Jason Reily
Fletcher Dyson

Wow in hundred years of rugby, your right Qld Rugby should be ashamed. You would have to give me a list a mile long covering the last ten years before I would even compare our odd poach to the Western Force raids on Qld.

Are you still worried day light saving is fading your curtains?

No the cows are still a problem though.

 

[formeropenside]

NSW have provided the talent for QLD side for years.

Which years exactly? Sure Qld has had some talent from NSW over the years but there has been a few head south also.

Matt Ryan
Michael Foley
Andrew Blades
Adrian Skeggs
Scott Webster
Jason Reily
Fletcher Dyson

wow, there's your front rowers for a start. Should I embarrass you some more? Are you still worried day light saving is fading your curtains?

All, bar Dyson and Blades possibly, worked their way up through the Brisbane club competition.

Turn it right up Nodster.
They were deadset all produced down South. Lee Grant could be a star in the Brisbane comp.

I went to school with Jason Reilly, and a mate went to school with Fletch. Both schools in Brisbane, I might add. They might have spent some time in Tah-land to shine in a weaker competition, because they were behind better Qld players up here. I dont know for sure, but I do know they were Queenslanders.

 

[hi-jinks]

Well I wonder who the Jason Reily who was a prop at Newington was?
He did look an awfull lot like the one who played for QLD.
One of us is telling porkies.......

 

[fatprop]

Players move for opportunities, the Force players weren't indentured servants they moved for opportunity.

A lot of Reds players left, but who could blame them.

 

[Ash]

Back on topic, thought this was a good article, don't neccessarily agree about the draft stuff or cap stuff though:

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25091495-5015651,00.html

fatprop; much like the NSW players that hi-jinks is referring to you mean?

 

[RugbyReg]

A lot of Reds players left, but who could blame them.

In the time from ditching McBain (who coached us to the S12 finals), replacing him with someone with no head coaching experience (Andrew Slack) because he was a good media identity who could match it with Lethal Lee and Grumpy Wayne, and then the CEO replacing Slack so we could sign Dell, and then appointing Eddie Jones who some crazy contract system and giving him all sorts of liberties which they were advised against, I couldn't blame them at all.

Stephen Moore however....

 

[formeropenside]

Well I wonder who the Jason Reily who was a prop at Newington was?
He did look an awfull lot like the one who played for QLD.
One of us is telling porkies.......

Perhaps its a different Jason Reilly; I know the one I am thinking of played a few games for the tahs after leaving Brisbane, and then came home. I dont think he played a great deal for Qld - a handful of matches I would have said. Played for Oxford as well I think, if that helps narrow it down.

 

[naza]

Well I wonder who the Jason Reily who was a prop at Newington was?
He did look an awfull lot like the one who played for QLD.
One of us is telling porkies.......

Perhaps its a different Jason Reilly; I know the one I am thinking of played a few games for the tahs after leaving Brisbane, and then came home. I dont think he played a great deal for Qld - a handful of matches I would have said. Played for Oxford as well I think, if that helps narrow it down.

Cambridge. Jason Reilly only got good when he joined Sydney Uni.

 

[rugbywhisperer]

Turn it up Ash. NSW have provided the talent for QLD side for years. You guys loose a couple of players and the tears are out???

Harden up, deadset.
Ironically the word is Moore fell out with Mark Bell. The NSW plan of destabilising the rednecks from up north has worked a treat. Top marks Belly.

Who knows, maybe if a certain hooker stuck behind Kearns had headed north then he might've made it.

I'd like to thank NSW for producing all of the Qld rugby greats, from Mark Loane to Michael Lynagh, to John Eales and Tim Horan. Of course, thankfully Queensland also had some real born and bred Queensland heroes like Chris Latham (and Alan Border, if you want to include cricket), but they were so few and far between. I'd include Nathan Spooner, but I'm not sure he was much of anything.

Nathan Spooner came from Eastwood and Barker College -

 

[naza]

Now a rugby team gets a bailout package. :nta:

And yet...

Australian Rugby Union boss John O'Neill says next week's top-level Sanzar meeting in Dubai is "make or break time" for the rugby alliance.

Officials from the New Zealand, Australian and South African unions will meet ahead of the kick-off to the Rugby World Cup Sevens in the Middle East as they look to nail down the future of Sanzar's flag-ship tournaments; the Tri-nations and Rebel Sport Super 14.

O'Neill said "The world economic environment is a whole lot different to what it was 12 months ago, and we have to be very realistic about the market."

So why the fark are you flying off to Dubai ?

That's up there with the car maker CEOS hiring corporate jets to fly to Washington for bail out talks.

 

[fatprop]

Back on topic, thought this was a good article, don't neccessarily agree about the draft stuff or cap stuff though:

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25091495-5015651,00.html

fatprop; much like the NSW players that hi-jinks is referring to you mean?

Ash

I think players with blind loyalty are idiots, they have very little opportunity and they should take whatever chances they get.

I remember Link talking about when Shepherd signed for the Force - he went for an opportunity to start - for the right reasons.

For Cannon, I can imagine the opportunity to set himself up financially at the end of his career was just as important.

 

[liquor box]

I think that a Draft is of more importance to the Wallabies success than it is given credit for.

Take Drew Mitchell for a start, where is he going to play for the Tahs? Who goes to the Bench? Will a bench player consistently get picked for Australia?

I think the ARU needs to ensure that the players that it (and Deans) are interested in are getting a run in a starting team and helping build up the skills of younger players too.

Unfortunately "franchises" are not the same as states- it is a professional game and any contracts signed as a junior should ensure that the player will play where they are selected.

The ARU in my opinion are there to ensure the success of all Australian teams, and the Wallabies- an example would be allowing teams the ability to pick out of date ex Wallaby centers (when fit) (Tirinui) and allowing another state to play someone with huge amounts of talent on the bench (Carter/Cararro) they may not be super stars but do have potential. Does Aussie rugby benefit more by them playing for 60 minutes a game or Tirinui getting a start?

 

[Lindommer]

I'd like to thank NSW for producing all of the Qld rugby greats, from Mark Loane to Michael Lynagh, to John Eales and Tim Horan. Of course, thankfully Queensland also had some real born and bred Queensland heroes like Chris Latham (and Allan Border, if you want to include cricket), but they were so few and far between. I'd include Nathan Spooner, but I'm not sure he was much of anything.

"...real born and bred Queensland heroes..." Let's get the facts right here:

• Chris Latham was born in Narrabri and played for Randwick and the Tahs before tiring of sitting in Matt Burke's shadow and moved north.
• Allan Border was born in Cremorne and played for the Blues and Australia before moving to Queensland for the money, nothing else.
• Nathan Spooner was a product of the Sydney school and club system, as whispers kindly reminded us.

What about Jeff Thomson and Greg Chappell? Are they "real born and bred Queensland heroes"? How'd you miss them, Ash? You'll be claiming the Rays, Lindwall and Phillips, next. Facts Ash, facts.

Matt Ryan
Michael Foley
Andrew Blades
Adrian Skeggs
Scott Webster
Jason Reilly
Fletcher Dyson

All, bar Dyson and Blades possibly, worked their way up through the Brisbane club competition.

Jason Reilly from Newington, Adrian Skeggs from Sydney Uni, Matt Ryan from Joeys and Gordon and Michael Foley from St Pat's Strathfield and West Harbour knew a bit about rugby before they wandered up north.

NSW have provided the talent for QLD side for years.

Which years exactly? Sure Qld has had some talent from NSW over the years but there has been a few head south also.

There have been many examples of New South Wales and Queensland players looking for opportunities across the fence. The current Reds squad has five from south of the border (Byrnes, Edwards, Houston, Turinui and Weeks) while Doherty and Mowen from Queensland play for the Tahs. Here're a few not mentioned elsewhere:

From NSW to Queensland: Chris Carberry, David Codey, Sam Cordingley, Greg Cornelsen, Tony Daly, Scott Fava, Andrew Heath, Peter Horton, Roy Prosser, Steve Rowley, Geoff Shaw, Brett Sheehan, Cam Treloar, Josh Valentine and Warwick Waugh.

From Queensland to New South Wales: Graeme Bond, Brendan Cannon, Rocky Elsom, Peter Hewat, Van Humphries, Simon Kasprowicsz, David Rathie, Wendell Sailor, Lote Tuquri and Jim Williams.

My point in knocking out such a long list is to show the movement of players between Australia's two oldest rugby provinces as they looked for opportunities not available to them in their home state (although I've been told neither Chris Carberry nor Peter Horton knew the other was moving north at the same time!). Such movements will continue when there's an incumbent in a position who can't be bettered and while Sydney has about 65% of Australia's rugby players. The advent of professionalism hasn't changed anything in this regard.

PS. By the way, Ash, you can thank us for Tim Horan, he was born in Darlinghurst.

 

[rugbywhisperer]

So now do you guys understand how hard it is for a NS Welshman to relocate to Queensland when they have such a huge f - ing chip on their shoulder.

I mean fair dinkum, they ALL believe that everyone from south of the border is out to screw them (we are but they believe it even before we try to) and they are all just so paranoid.

They are on a par with sandgropers in the insecurity stakes I tell ya - if you havent moved here from NSW and tried to comprehend they paranoia you haven't lived.

 

[Ash]

I'd like to thank NSW for producing all of the Qld rugby greats, from Mark Loane to Michael Lynagh, to John Eales and Tim Horan. Of course, thankfully Queensland also had some real born and bred Queensland heroes like Chris Latham (and Allan Border, if you want to include cricket), but they were so few and far between. I'd include Nathan Spooner, but I'm not sure he was much of anything.

"...real born and bred Queensland heroes..." Let's get the facts right here:

• Chris Latham was born in Narrabri and played for Randwick and the Tahs before tiring of sitting in Matt Burke's shadow and moved north.
• Allan Border was born in Cremorne and played for the Blues and Australia before moving to Queensland for the money, nothing else.
• Nathan Spooner was a product of the Sydney school and club system, as whispers kindly reminded us.

What about Jeff Thomson and Greg Chappell? Are they "real born and bred Queensland heroes"? How'd you miss them, Ash? You'll be claiming the Rays, Lindwall and Phillips, next. Facts Ash, facts.

Really, it's like shooting fish in a barrel somtimes. I bet the part where I said Loane, Lynagh, Eales and Horan were from NSW washed right over you though... :fishing I'm disappointed Lindommer, seeing as you are normally the one fishing for bites over NSW / Queensland relations, I thought it would've been someone else who bit...how long has it been since you've lived in Queensland again?

PS. By the way, Ash, you can thank us for Tim Horan, he was born in Darlinghurst.

Technicality. That's the same as saying Nicole Kidman is Hawaiian because she was born there to Austrlian parents.

 

[formeropenside]

So now do you guys understand how hard it is for a NS Welshman to relocate to Queensland when they have such a huge f - ing chip on their shoulder.

I mean fair dinkum, they ALL believe that everyone from south of the border is out to screw them (we are but they believe it even before we try to) and they are all just so paranoid.

They are on a par with sandgropers in the insecurity stakes I tell ya - if you havent moved here from NSW and tried to comprehend they paranoia you haven't lived.

yeah, but we have to deal with a lot of mexicans up here. Once they accept that they are Queenslanders now, all is forgiven, and we will fight for you against those dirty southerners.

Hell, you dont even have to be Australian to be a Queenslander. It helps if you are not a kiwi though.