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Third Tier 2026

Wilson

Tim Horan (67)
I think we need to cool our jets on expectations a bit here. We're talking about a comp that's not even a half NRC. The 3 or 4 games these guys get will help, but it'll take years in a program for them to make much of a difference. At this point it's basically a glorified pre-season program. It's not nothing, and as part of a fuller schedule like the Reds run it's a bit more meaningful, but if 3 games was all it took to prepare these guys for super we probably wouldn't need a whole competition to do it.

None of this is meant as a criticism of Super Aus, it's a good start and something is a lot better than nothing, but it needs to be longer (8-10 games) and even then, the pay off comes from a few years in the program, not a single season. We can already see that with guys over on New Zealand usually getting a couple of prep years in NPC before arriving on the scene in Super Rugby.
 

Major Tom

Desmond Connor (43)
Yeah I’m not suggesting that it will prepare a kid for SRP (Super Rugby Pacific). But the handful of games gives them a glimpse of what the level is like and extra incentive to hit the preseason. And the reality is, someone like Harvey is probably gonna be thrown in next year anyways so at least now he’s got some prep, as opposed to nothing.
 

The Ghost of Raelene

Tim Horan (67)
That's why I'm saying it will take a few years. Sides are going to approach it differently. The Reds have a whole of side cohesion aspect IMO and a side the Tahs are seeing what individuals may have the ability to step into a higher arena next year.
 

Propsruntheworld

Allen Oxlade (6)
Reds side listed for this week is unbelievable in terms of talent and depth. they are taking this comp very seriously it would seem.
 

Wilson

Tim Horan (67)
Reds side listed for this week is unbelievable in terms of talent and depth. they are taking this comp very seriously it would seem.
They are, but it's also the reality of a settled squad. Reds/Brumbies are not seeing anywhere near as much year on year turnover, so they have most of the guys they need locked down for next year already and can play them here, while testing a few fringe options out.

The Force and (even more so) the tahs on the other hand have a lot of departures and positions still open, and that means they're running a bunch of club guys from outside the system who haven't ever played together and patching up holes where they can.
 

The Ghost of Raelene

Tim Horan (67)
He’s definitely in form. Was great for Norths to finish of the season in SS.

We haven’t seen this current form in Super Rugby though and more Edmed level performances.

I’d say he’s better than Harford who the Force have signed for 2 more years.
 

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Frank Row (1)
In my ideal world, I'd like to see Super Rugby ditched altogether and replaced with an expanded fully professional domestic competition. NZ could do the same. A short sharp Champions' League could be played between the top two teams in the respective domestic competitions. Everyone would get a chance.

My template is the original ARC with 8 teams, but better aligned with their respective regions in Sydney and perhaps Brisbane. IMO, the competition was sabotaged by the way in which the Sydney teams were set up, except for Western Sydney. A North Harbour team, the Central Coast Rays with feeder Shute Shield clubs Norths, Gordon, Manly and Warringah, was based in Gosford and a South Harbour team, the Sydney Fleet with feeder clubs Easts, Randwick, Sydney University and Souths, was based at North Sydney. It was ludicrous and was set up to fail. They got the Western Sydney Rams right with feeder clubs West Harbour, Eastwood, Parramatta and Penrith, based at the old Parramatta Stadium.

Despite that anomaly, it still attracted some decent crowds. I attended a match between the Sydney Fleet and Western Sydney Rams at a packed-out North Sydney Oval, which was a home game for the Fleet. It demonstrated the potential for the competition if it had been properly organised. There was plenty of tribal following and I don't see why that couldn't be replicated in a fully professional version supported by the respective feeder clubs. After all, we once had annual North Harbour v South Harbour representative matches which were hugely supported and the addition of a Western Sydney team would add to that regional rivalry. The Premier Rugby competitions would remain as the third tier, although they would lose some players because of the expanded number of teams. That then opens up opportunities for more aspiring talented players to play 1st Grade instead of heading overseas.

The teams wouldn't be that different from the ARC but based in their proper regions. They would nominally be North Brisbane, South Brisbane, Sydney North Harbour, Sydney South Harbour, Western Sydney, Canberra, Melbourne and Perth. Further regional teams like Newcastle and Townsville could be included further down the track as the competition matures and finances allow it. It could be played home and away over two rounds with the top 4 teams qualifying for the finals, before the July Test window. There would be plenty of content there. All Wallabies would play for their respective regional teams, as they do now in Super Rugby, which would attract more interest.

Unfortunately, RA wouldn't currently have the resources to support such a concept, but with the windfall profits expected from the Men's and Women's Rugby World Cups, it might be able to give it a kick-start.
 

Strewthcobber

Nick Farr-Jones (63)
Unfortunately, RA wouldn't currently have the resources to support such a concept, but with the windfall profits expected from the Men's and Women's Rugby World Cups, it might be able to give it a kick-start.
Do the numbers on it.

How much is each player being paid? How many in a squad?

Super Rugby sides cost $12 - $14m a year as a guide, which is really just the expense required to have a big enough pool of players ready for Wallaby selection.
 

The Ghost of Raelene

Tim Horan (67)
The problem is the term fully professional and 8 sides. Aus doesn't have the resources to use currently, and any profits from the WC would be eaten well before the comp would become even self sustaining let alone money making. Then Rugby finds itself in the same cycle of the last 20 years.

The appetite from the public also isn't there. The current Super Rugby sides don't draw enormous crowds as is, TV numbers are average so imagine splitting them again to brands that nobody has true links to. I went to ARC games as well and there were some decent crowds but also some garbage and the comp lost over 4m in 2007 so God knows what today would be. I'm also hesitant to say the crowds would grow in yr,2 after any initial buzz wore off.

We all want to imagine tribalism seen in the lower leagues of English Soccer but it doesn't happen. The best Club fixtures pull 5k and people actually care about those sides. You'd imagine with a fully pro league you'd have to then charge more for entry to watch North Brisbane v Western Sydney. I think it would become an even weaker version of the A league at best.

There is then the actual on field product. There isn't 250+ players of a pro standard on a global level which you need to have a product to sell to media.

I like the thinking but I tend to think people just want change for the sake of change as well. Super Rugby shot itself in the foot when it felt like this and went to conferences etc when nobody could just let/tell SA to leave and it was a forced relationship that rotted it.

With Rugby being primarily an East Coast product (sorry Sea of Blue) and NZ being a stronghold a trans Tasman comp is the most logical for both.

I think they just need to push Super Rugby Aus into a Home and Away season that is focused on community engagement and giving the semi pro environment a direct path to push into the pro one.
 

wamberal99

Bill McLean (32)
The most important factor in strategic planning is to set achievable objectives. We had our chance back in the early 2000's but we muffed it.

Now we have to work with the fact that we are a long way behind the AFL, NRL, Soccer, and even Netball. We are lucky to get even a big game on FTA.

We had a chance to grow the game in Victoria. I lived in Victoria in the 80's and told a good buddy of mine that rugby league would never catch on there.

The answer to our current situation is probably in the hands of World Rugby.
 
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