The Wallabies Thread

[Up the Guts]

Thing to remember is last time we played the Pooper whoever we had at lock (probably Coleman in his first test and Simmons) weren’t as good a lineout duo as a matured Coleman and Rodda will be. Taf’s throws have also improved out of sight since then. Provided whoever is at 6 is a reasonable jumper then the lineout with pooper should not be as bad as before.

 

[wamberal]

If I were the Wallaby coach I would only pick Pocock and Hooper together if I had a very good lineout option at 6. Okay, Foley's kicking out of hand seems to have improved a bit, but not enough yet.


With a relatively weak positional kicking game and only two jumpers we will be easy pickings for the good teams.

 

[Tomikin]

So who is this brilliant lineout taking 8 we have for June?

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[Sully]

So who is this brilliant lineout taking 8 we have for June?

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Caleb Timu?

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[Strewthcobber]

Caleb Timu?

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3 lineouts taken for the Reds this yesr

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[cyclopath]

Caleb Timu?

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I actually like the idea of trying someone new and perhaps "green" like this. Ireland will expect Cheika to load up with as much experience as possible, but a couple of new, fresh and perhaps "unknown" units could be just what we need. I've liked what I've seen of Timu thus far. I remember the impact of guys like Gourley in 1989 against the Lions, Willie O in 1991, Kearns in 1989 when they were largely unheralded. Sometimes a bit of new is good!

 

[Sully]

3 lineouts taken for the Reds this yesr

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See! He's a machine!

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[Zero_Cool]

Thing to remember is last time we played the Pooper whoever we had at lock (probably Coleman in his first test and Simmons) weren’t as good a lineout duo as a matured Coleman and Rodda will be. Taf’s throws have also improved out of sight since then. Provided whoever is at 6 is a reasonable jumper then the lineout with pooper should not be as bad as before.

I actually aren't keen on TPN starting. I feel like we have a number of young (and less young) prospects on the rise. BPA, Ulelese, Rangi, Able. Not to mention Andrew Ready and Tolu Latu. We really need to be geering up for the RWC not picking average players who aren't even playing in Australia.

 

[dru]

Thing to remember is last time we played the Pooper whoever we had at lock (probably Coleman in his first test and Simmons) weren’t as good a lineout duo as a matured Coleman and Rodda will be. Taf’s throws have also improved out of sight since then. Provided whoever is at 6 is a reasonable jumper then the lineout with pooper should not be as bad as before.

You can't, hell let me temper, it is foolish, to run three jumpers against an NH side irrespective of the experience of the jumpers. AND you certainly need that third jumper to be a genuine jumper, someone who in Super has some level of achievement stealing lineouts.

"Balance" in the loose forwards must start there, anything else is a bonus.

 

[cyclopath]

I actually aren't keen on TPN starting. I feel like we have a number of young (and less young) prospects on the rise. BPA, Ulelese, Rangi, Able. Not to mention Andrew Ready and Tolu Latu. We really need to be geering up for the RWC not picking average players who aren't even playing in Australia.

Seems to be a common theme for you - anyone who does, or has, played for NSW really shouldn't be considered. It's quicker to just type "Too many Tahs". It'll make your posts easier to read too.

 

[Zero_Cool]

Seems to be a common theme for you - anyone who does, or has, played for NSW really shouldn't be considered. It's quicker to just type "Too many Tahs". It'll make your posts easier to read too.

Tataf played for NSW?! I jest.

I felt the same way about Moore too last year and I even specifically mentioned Latu.

 

[cyclopath]

Tataf played for NSW?! I jest.

I felt the same way about Moore too last year and I even specifically mentioned Latu.

Yep, sorry, not even vaguely convinced. In recent times you've rubbished Folau, Hooper, Beale and Foley. Now I get that some people don't always see their merits, but when fellow players vote for some of these players favourably in say, the John Eales medal, it kinda seems odd that they would be crap. I know you throw in a red herring now and then, like Wells (who not even the most ardent Tahs fan would think is Wallaby material) and Latu (who has been out of shape, out of form and out of favour) but it sounds to me a familiar tune. So just say it for what it is instead of trying to smokescreen it. That's fine, but own the opinion.

 

[fatprop]

So who is this brilliant lineout taking 8 we have for June?

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more likely a 6, Pocock will be at 8

But it will be interesting to see how he adapts

David Pocock returns to tackle crucial change in ruck law
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The best breakdown forward in world rugby, Pocock is the master of pilfering the ball at the tackle-contest, his enormous strength and low centre of gravity making him ideal for the task. But the new ruck laws make it harder for ball-scavengers to do their job by favouring the attacking team at the breakdown and thus reducing the contest for possession.

Pocock mastered the art of making the tackle, getting to his feet and immediately playing the ball but under the new laws the tackler must return to his own side and come through the “gate” before playing the ball. What’s more, as soon as an opposing player arrives at the ruck, hands cannot be used to get the ball. With the stroke of a pen law-makers may achieve what the world’s best backrowers have failed to do – stop Pocock at the breakdown.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2...-returns-to-tackle-crucial-change-in-ruck-law

 

[Derpus]

Yeah man it's all about the English. They have no breakdown specialist and it was painfully exposed in the RWC and in the past 6 nations. Robshaw is a 6.5. Too small to be a 6 and a bit too shit to be a 7. Tinfoil hat stuff, though, really.

I think Pocock will probably do fine over the ball.

 

[cyclopath]

more likely a 6, Pocock will be at 8

But it will be interesting to see how he adapts

I'm sure he will. Great players do. McCaw changed as laws were applied differently, and he developed his linking game etc.........
Pocock is one of the most thoroughly prepared players I've seen, so I have little doubt he will evolve.

 

[Up the Guts]

You can't, hell let me temper, it is foolish, to run three jumpers against an NH side irrespective of the experience of the jumpers. AND you certainly need that third jumper to be a genuine jumper, someone who in Super has some level of achievement stealing lineouts.

"Balance" in the loose forwards must start there, anything else is a bonus.

I’m no fan of Pocock and Hooper starting together, I’d prefer to see Timu at 8 at this stage, but our lineout will not be as bad as it was previously if Cheika (and I think he probably will) picks Pocock and Hooper if Coleman and Rodda start in the 2nd row.

 

[Up the Guts]

more likely a 6, Pocock will be at 8

But it will be interesting to see how he adapts

Obviously that reporter for the Guardian hasn’t been keeping an eye on how many steals Creevy has been getting for the Jaguares a game. The art of pilfering has not been written out of the game, Pocock will hopefully adapt.

 

[Zero_Cool]

Yep, sorry, not even vaguely convinced. In recent times you've rubbished Folau, Hooper, Beale and Foley. Now I get that some people don't always see their merits, but when fellow players vote for some of these players favourably in say, the John Eales medal, it kinda seems odd that they would be crap. I know you throw in a red herring now and then, like Wells (who not even the most ardent Tahs fan would think is Wallaby material) and Latu (who has been out of shape, out of form and out of favour) but it sounds to me a familiar tune. So just say it for what it is instead of trying to smokescreen it. That's fine, but own the opinion.

You clearly haven't seen me criticise the Reds...
But you missed Hanigan, at least I think I have rubbished him, if I haven't I apologize. Although he looks more physical than he did last year.

Regarding Wells, I don't think he's there yet, but he could be towards the end of the season.

 

[cyclopath]

You clearly haven't seen me criticise the Reds.
But you missed Hanigan, at least I think I have rubbished him, if I haven't I apologize. Although he looks more physical than he did last year.

Regarding Wells, I don't think he's there yet, but he could be towards the end of the season.

Gee, Hanigan, there's a hard target. Well done. In kind of missing the point, you've also managed to reinforce it, as have many of your last 50-100 posts or so. I'm just suggesting you be honest about your motivation instead of hiding behind flimsy strawman arguments.
Anyway, have at it. You're not the first and you won't be the last.

 

[Up the Guts]

You clearly haven't seen me criticise the Reds.
But you missed Hanigan, at least I think I have rubbished him, if I haven't I apologize. Although he looks more physical than he did last year.

Regarding Wells, I don't think he's there yet, but he could be towards the end of the season.

Knowing the Wells family, I think you’d find not even they would be contemplating a place for Michael in the Wallabies squad at this stage.