The Transition from Schoolboy Rugby to Colts - Is there a better way?
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Hugh Jarse
Rocky Elsom (76)
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Hugh Jarse
Rocky Elsom (76)
Hugh Jarse
Rocky Elsom (76)
Hugh's first traditional Annual Sydney Colts Census
Shute Shield Clubs - Numbers of Colts Players (under 20 only)
Southern Districts: 102 Players
Parramatta: 95 Players
Randwick: 95 Players
Manly: 93 Players
West Harbour: 93 Players
Sydney University: 90 Players
Gordon: 86 Players
Warringah: 83 Players
Eastern Suburbs: 77 Players
Eastwood: 72 Players used
Penrith: 72 Players used
Northern Suburbs: 71 Players
Grand Total: 1029 Players
Div 1 Subbies Clubs - Numbers of Colts Players (U21)
Balmain, 34 players
Brothers, 24 players
Colleagues, 41 players
Drummoyne, 42 players
Knox, 44 players
Mosman, 38 players
Old Ignatians, 32 players
Petersham, 43 players
St Patrick's, 39 players
Grand Total, 337 players
Div 2 Subbies Clubs - Numbers of Colts Players (U21)
Barker Old Boys, 35 players
Blue Mountains, 34 players
Forest, 36 players
Hills, 26 players
Hunters Hill, 39 players
Lindfield, 36 players
Newport, 27 players
UNSW, 32 players
Grand Total, 265 players
Div 6 Subbies Colts Teams - Hanigan Cup (U21)
30 players at Lane Cove Colts
30 players at Waverley Colts (assumed - no team sheets submitted)
Grand Total, 60 Players
In 2015 there were approximately 1691 Colts players in total playing in Sydney (U20 or U21 Colts)
1/2 the players "graduate to grade each year, so the Class of 2015 needs to produce about 800 players each year (of all skill levels) to "feed the machine".
There are usually less than 80 players from NSW of "elite" standard each year. "Elite" = NSW State I or II level or Combined States selection, including the unlucky few who miss out due to being in Team Rehab, or fall foul of the Selectors Gaze.
The other 720 players for Colts each year need to come from 9 AAGPS (1 Country) and 6 CAS Schools, 7 ISA Div 1 (2 Country) and 6 ISA Div 2 (3 country) Schools , and SJRU & NSW CJRU Village Clubs, plus the small number of ACT players that decide to go to Uni/TAFE in Sydney.
Shute Shield Clubs - Numbers of Colts Players (under 20 only)
Southern Districts: 102 Players
Parramatta: 95 Players
Randwick: 95 Players
Manly: 93 Players
West Harbour: 93 Players
Sydney University: 90 Players
Gordon: 86 Players
Warringah: 83 Players
Eastern Suburbs: 77 Players
Eastwood: 72 Players used
Penrith: 72 Players used
Northern Suburbs: 71 Players
Grand Total: 1029 Players
Div 1 Subbies Clubs - Numbers of Colts Players (U21)
Balmain, 34 players
Brothers, 24 players
Colleagues, 41 players
Drummoyne, 42 players
Knox, 44 players
Mosman, 38 players
Old Ignatians, 32 players
Petersham, 43 players
St Patrick's, 39 players
Grand Total, 337 players
Div 2 Subbies Clubs - Numbers of Colts Players (U21)
Barker Old Boys, 35 players
Blue Mountains, 34 players
Forest, 36 players
Hills, 26 players
Hunters Hill, 39 players
Lindfield, 36 players
Newport, 27 players
UNSW, 32 players
Grand Total, 265 players
Div 6 Subbies Colts Teams - Hanigan Cup (U21)
30 players at Lane Cove Colts
30 players at Waverley Colts (assumed - no team sheets submitted)
Grand Total, 60 Players
In 2015 there were approximately 1691 Colts players in total playing in Sydney (U20 or U21 Colts)
1/2 the players "graduate to grade each year, so the Class of 2015 needs to produce about 800 players each year (of all skill levels) to "feed the machine".
There are usually less than 80 players from NSW of "elite" standard each year. "Elite" = NSW State I or II level or Combined States selection, including the unlucky few who miss out due to being in Team Rehab, or fall foul of the Selectors Gaze.
The other 720 players for Colts each year need to come from 9 AAGPS (1 Country) and 6 CAS Schools, 7 ISA Div 1 (2 Country) and 6 ISA Div 2 (3 country) Schools , and SJRU & NSW CJRU Village Clubs, plus the small number of ACT players that decide to go to Uni/TAFE in Sydney.
Hugh Jarse
Rocky Elsom (76)
How important is your Schoolboy Rugby Scrapbook?
From the 4 starting XV's (60 players) published in the programmes of the teams that contested the Colts First Grade Semi-Finals this year, G&GR archives reveal that this is their Schoolboy Rugby "Pedigree":
Highest Schoolboy Rep Honours
Australian Schoolboys (5/60)
1. Vuni Fifita (Randwick), 2. Evan Pritchard (Northern Suburbs), 7. Jack McCalman (Sydney University), 9. Nick Duffy (Sydney University), 10. Connor O'Shea (Sydney University)
Australian Schoolboys A (none in 2014) (3/60)
2. Nick Koutsoukis (Randwick), 8. Olly Kamp (Randwick), 10. Jack Clancy (Northern Suburbs)
NSW I (3/60)
3. Jackson McLean (Northern Suburbs), 3. Will Ridley (Sydney University), 15. Guy Porter (Sydney University)
NSW II (7/60)
7. Jum Woodhill (Randwick), 1. Jakob Sedgeman (Northern Suburbs), 4. Will Finley (Northern Suburbs), 12. Nic Clancy (Northern Suburbs), 5. Harrison Williams (Sydney University), 6. Declan Moore (Sydney University),12. Will McDonnell (Sydney University)
Combined States (4/60)
4. Nick Kellaway (Randwick), 14. Tom Molloy (Randwick), 5. Harry Lind (Northern Suburbs), 13. Jack Redden (Sydney University)
Attended National Schoolboys Championships (22/60)
Did not attend National Schoolboy Championships (38/60)
AAGPS Rep (4/60)
12. Ben Starkey (Randwick), 14. Charlie Oldham (Northern Suburbs), 6. Max Hendrie (Eastern Suburbs), 8. Hamish Dunbar (Sydney University)
ISA Rep (2/60)
11. Christian Kagiassis (Sydney University), 5. Emerson Adcock (Eastern Suburbs)
CAS Rep (6/60)
5. Ryan Powter (Randwick), 13. Devan Stoltz (Randwick), 15. Ben O'Donnell (Randwick), 8. Leon Akopian (Northern Suburbs), 7. Nick Makas (Eastern Suburbs), 1. Matt Hooper (Eastern Suburbs
CCC Rep (1/60)
9. Ted Pye (Eastern Suburbs)
CHS Rep (0/60)
NSW Country Schools (1/60)
11. Tommy Gilbert (Northern Suburbs)
NSW JRU Rep (0/60)
SJRU Rep (1/60)
9. Josh Lynch (Northern Suburbs)
NSW CJRU Rep (1/60)
10. Nic Andrews (Randwick)
NSW Schools U16 (1/60)
10. Jack Maddocks (Eastern Suburbs),
Not Selected For Reps (12/60)
Newington 1st XV (2/60)
3. Campbell Shearer (Randwick), 4. Guy Beever (Eastern Suburbs)
Joeys 1st/2nd XV (4/60)
6. Daniel Hughes(Randwick), 7. Rory Gallagher (Northern Suburbs), 4. Joshua Schwager (Sydney University), 13. Alex Newsome (Eastern Suburbs)
Scots 1st XV, 2nd XV (2/60)
14. Christian Yassmin (Sydney University), 9. Sam Horwitz (Randwick)
Shore 1st XV (1/60)
13. Charlie King (Northern Suburbs)
Kings 1st XV/2nd XV (2/60)
1. Jack Bliss (Sydney University), 3. Archie Hall (Eastern Suburbs)
Waverley 1st XV (1/60)
2. Lindsey Stevens (Eastern Suburbs)
Unknown (9/60)
11. Ned Robinson (Randwick), 6. Angus Cook (Northern Suburbs), 15. Josh Cook (Northern Suburbs), 2. Folau Fainga'a (Sydney University), 8. Ben Vincent (Eastern Suburbs), 11. Suesi Iosua (Eastern Suburbs), 12. Harry Priestner (Eastern Suburbs), 14. Christo Wylie (Eastern Suburbs), 15. James Pelowski (Eastern Suburbs)
The point is:
1. The "usual suspects" don't just recruit schoolboy "Rock Stars".
2. Some Schoolboy "Rock Stars" in the usual suspects get passed by others without such impressive pedigrees.
3. Plenty of players who didn't get selected for their School Association Rep team were in the running for a Colts First Grade Premiership by making the Semi-Finals with their Colts Club.
4. Cream rises to the surface.
5. Don't give up if you were not selected for your School Association Rep team, or even the 1st XV at one of the "Big Rugby Schools".
6. Colts Coaches and Selectors care about current performances and form, and care little for what the opinion of another group of selectors at some point in the past was.
From the 4 starting XV's (60 players) published in the programmes of the teams that contested the Colts First Grade Semi-Finals this year, G&GR archives reveal that this is their Schoolboy Rugby "Pedigree":
Highest Schoolboy Rep Honours
Australian Schoolboys (5/60)
1. Vuni Fifita (Randwick), 2. Evan Pritchard (Northern Suburbs), 7. Jack McCalman (Sydney University), 9. Nick Duffy (Sydney University), 10. Connor O'Shea (Sydney University)
Australian Schoolboys A (none in 2014) (3/60)
2. Nick Koutsoukis (Randwick), 8. Olly Kamp (Randwick), 10. Jack Clancy (Northern Suburbs)
NSW I (3/60)
3. Jackson McLean (Northern Suburbs), 3. Will Ridley (Sydney University), 15. Guy Porter (Sydney University)
NSW II (7/60)
7. Jum Woodhill (Randwick), 1. Jakob Sedgeman (Northern Suburbs), 4. Will Finley (Northern Suburbs), 12. Nic Clancy (Northern Suburbs), 5. Harrison Williams (Sydney University), 6. Declan Moore (Sydney University),12. Will McDonnell (Sydney University)
Combined States (4/60)
4. Nick Kellaway (Randwick), 14. Tom Molloy (Randwick), 5. Harry Lind (Northern Suburbs), 13. Jack Redden (Sydney University)
Attended National Schoolboys Championships (22/60)
Did not attend National Schoolboy Championships (38/60)
AAGPS Rep (4/60)
12. Ben Starkey (Randwick), 14. Charlie Oldham (Northern Suburbs), 6. Max Hendrie (Eastern Suburbs), 8. Hamish Dunbar (Sydney University)
ISA Rep (2/60)
11. Christian Kagiassis (Sydney University), 5. Emerson Adcock (Eastern Suburbs)
CAS Rep (6/60)
5. Ryan Powter (Randwick), 13. Devan Stoltz (Randwick), 15. Ben O'Donnell (Randwick), 8. Leon Akopian (Northern Suburbs), 7. Nick Makas (Eastern Suburbs), 1. Matt Hooper (Eastern Suburbs
CCC Rep (1/60)
9. Ted Pye (Eastern Suburbs)
CHS Rep (0/60)
NSW Country Schools (1/60)
11. Tommy Gilbert (Northern Suburbs)
NSW JRU Rep (0/60)
SJRU Rep (1/60)
9. Josh Lynch (Northern Suburbs)
NSW CJRU Rep (1/60)
10. Nic Andrews (Randwick)
NSW Schools U16 (1/60)
10. Jack Maddocks (Eastern Suburbs),
Not Selected For Reps (12/60)
Newington 1st XV (2/60)
3. Campbell Shearer (Randwick), 4. Guy Beever (Eastern Suburbs)
Joeys 1st/2nd XV (4/60)
6. Daniel Hughes(Randwick), 7. Rory Gallagher (Northern Suburbs), 4. Joshua Schwager (Sydney University), 13. Alex Newsome (Eastern Suburbs)
Scots 1st XV, 2nd XV (2/60)
14. Christian Yassmin (Sydney University), 9. Sam Horwitz (Randwick)
Shore 1st XV (1/60)
13. Charlie King (Northern Suburbs)
Kings 1st XV/2nd XV (2/60)
1. Jack Bliss (Sydney University), 3. Archie Hall (Eastern Suburbs)
Waverley 1st XV (1/60)
2. Lindsey Stevens (Eastern Suburbs)
Unknown (9/60)
11. Ned Robinson (Randwick), 6. Angus Cook (Northern Suburbs), 15. Josh Cook (Northern Suburbs), 2. Folau Fainga'a (Sydney University), 8. Ben Vincent (Eastern Suburbs), 11. Suesi Iosua (Eastern Suburbs), 12. Harry Priestner (Eastern Suburbs), 14. Christo Wylie (Eastern Suburbs), 15. James Pelowski (Eastern Suburbs)
The point is:
1. The "usual suspects" don't just recruit schoolboy "Rock Stars".
2. Some Schoolboy "Rock Stars" in the usual suspects get passed by others without such impressive pedigrees.
3. Plenty of players who didn't get selected for their School Association Rep team were in the running for a Colts First Grade Premiership by making the Semi-Finals with their Colts Club.
4. Cream rises to the surface.
5. Don't give up if you were not selected for your School Association Rep team, or even the 1st XV at one of the "Big Rugby Schools".
6. Colts Coaches and Selectors care about current performances and form, and care little for what the opinion of another group of selectors at some point in the past was.
BeastieBoy
Herbert Moran (7)
Coaches can have favourites. You need to accurately assess your skills and your potential. Ask people with knowledge you trust and who care for you to give their opinion. Then if the coach you have can't make the most of what you have then find another. Don't be a door mat for any club. Your career is short. However, if you just want to play social rugby with your mates. Then go where your mates are and enjoy yourself.
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