The Tom Carter incident

[barbarian]

People are taking issue with the fact that Tom Carter carried on like a pork chop before the final siren went off, celebrating like a schoolboy. One minute later he was made to look like a complete idiot.

The circumstances of the try are irrelevant. The story is the fact that he acted in quite unsportsmanlike fashion and was made to look stupid for it only a minute later.

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[qwerty51]

Gregan's "four more years boys" was before the siren as well (I think). Is that just as bad?

 

[MrTimms]

Hooray, Another Tom Carter thread.

Bruce and Jesus in one corner, everyone else in the other.


I will sit back and make up my mind based on the logically constructed arguments put forth. Have at it...

 

[barbarian]

If we went on to lose that game then he would have copped a fair bit of flak for it.

Plus I would wager there is a difference between a clever line (if a little cheeky) and rubbing a players face into the dirt and whooping like a little schoolboy.

 

[qwerty51]

If we went on to lose that game then he would have copped a fair bit of flak for it.

That's what I have an issue with, it's certainly embarrassing for the players if they go on to lose but I see no reason why they should cope criticism, it seems to be a backlash for losing and somewhat looking for a scapegoat to blame.

 

[Scotty]

Yes, courageous in the sense that he's prepared to draw some of the heat onto himself in order to stick up for a mate and the truth as he sees it. A lone voice in a baying crowd - that takes courage in my book.

And this garbage about "playing such an in-your-face style" backfiring "as it did on Saturday". The encounter with Ioane had zero impact on the game. Carter wasn't penalised for it and he was not in any way responsible for the fact that other players missed regulation tackles.

Tom Carter has been playing exactly the same confrontational style in Super Rugby for four seasons and for almost a decade in Sydney club rugby. Lots of nonsense from armchair warriors about what they would do to him, but he fronts up every week and mixes it with the best in Southern Hemisphere rugby and no one has sorted him out yet.

And week after week he has to put up with heroes hiding behind pseudonyms belittling him on chat sites. Thanks to our moderators what appears here is relatively restrained. But he just shrugs his shoulders and gets on with what he is paid to do.

Bruce,

Starting a thread on this has only managed to extend its air time. I don't think anyone really cares anymore.

Tom is big enough and tough enough to stand up for himself. I'm sure he isn't going to get too worried about the attention though.

 

[barbarian]

To be fair to Bruce he didn't start a thread, I merged a series of posts from the Tahs/Rebels thread to a new one.

 

[barbarian]

Qwerty I think the coverage is best summed up by the notion that if you want to carry on and celebrate in a somewhat unsportsmanlike fashion, you'd better be bloody sure you are going to win. Otherwise you look like an idiot, and this will be pointed out publicly.

 

[Slim 293]

I out it to you slim, that they are in fact nit ridiculus at all, but instead merely don't agree with your side of the argument.

No... there was no need for Martin to further inflame the situation... pure ego strokin'...

Ioane brought it up early in the week... Carter looked silly... the end.

And I found Mitchell's article to be utter rubbish, and did a rather lousy job trying to put Carter in a better light...

"But Sir, everybody sledges!"

 

[qwerty51]

No doubt about it, he was made to look silly and would've copped it from the Reds player post-game I'm sure. However I don't see why people then need to attack his character and berate him like he's a total wanker, especially Marto. I also thought Digby should've left it on the field and there was no need to go to the media to write shitty columns about on-field sledging.

 

[waratahjesus]

Hooray, Another Tom Carter thread.

Bruce and Jesus in one corner, everyone else in the other.


I will sit back and make up my mind based on the logically constructed arguments put forth. Have at it...

I put it to you that infact the corners you speak of don't really exist.

What Tom did was wrong in my opinion and he looks like an idiot for it agreed.

The level of hate and reading into it by people is equally as wrong due to the fact that other players and teams do the same thing.

His actions are actually quite common, the result made him come off like a tool.

I would put it to the board that instead of callingTom Carter names a thread outing every single player on every moment of bad sportsmanship/arrogance/douche behavior/bad article writing be created and then the one or two players not in it at the end of the season be brought some sort of trophy.

 

[qwerty51]

G&GR "Tom Carter" award for the biggest backfire post?

 

[MrTimms]

Sorry WJ, I was being a bit of a Tom Carter (it's a verb now, look it up) and having a dig. Perhaps I should have waited until the thread was over (I mock).

I know the corners don't exist, it was more casting back to the other threads where his supporters and detractors bashed heads endlessly with the only result being a new thread further down the line.

 

[daz]

Look on the bright side gang. We might have disagreements between ourselves on the merits of opposition players or teams but let's face it; as the 2012 Super Rugby competition gets going we are all supporters of the greatest game in the world.

It could be worse; we could be A-League supporters.....and these boards could be Green and Gold Soccer.

Just a cheery reminder of our superiour status in world sport as the weekend hatred begins.

 

[Brumby Jack]

Gregan's "four more years boys" was before the siren as well (I think). Is that just as bad?

The Aussies won, New Zealand did not.

The end.

 

[waratahjesus]

I think one of the major things is, QLD fans seem to be really oversensitive, there attacks in Matt Giteau last year and now Tom Carter are over the top.

 

[cyclopath]

Sorry WJ, I was being a bit of a Tom Carter (it's a verb now, look it up) and having a dig. Perhaps I should have waited until the thread was over (I mock).

I know the corners don't exist, it was more casting back to the other threads where his supporters and detractors bashed heads endlessly with the only result being a new thread further down the line.

If you're being a Tom Carter, it's a noun, not a verb, Timmsy.
Now, if you were Tom Cartering...

 

[Ash]

Polarising players are great for fan discussions, and let's face it, Tom Carter is one of those polarising players.

 

[sonny crockett]

Win lose or draw, sledging was a great part of the fun, you gave it, you copped it and sometimes it backfired, and you copped it again. Used to be some great stuff when I was playing, some that could not be repeated here. You don't find many people that know Tom Carter that dont like Tom Carter, whatever he does on a footy field.

 

[Bruce Ross]

I hardly see how sledging the opposition for losing with 1 minute to go is "courageous" behaviour. Maybe someone can explain it to me?

I'll try my best to explain it to you, Ash. I used the word "courageous" to refer to Drew Mitchell taking a stand against the great tide of abuse directed at Tom Carter. The word was not used in relation to Carter.

I spend a lot of time crafting my posts and rechecking them in order to minimise the possibility of being misunderstood. But even with the greatest of care I cannot control how people interpret what is written.