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David Codey (61)
Cheika should be able to bet his job on his choice of underlings,just like a Link did.
The Pulverisation of Australian Rugby
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Biffo
Ken Catchpole (46)
good questions.
you could ask the same questions about TGC, couldn't you?
we could ask who interviewed him for the top gig.
BillyPoo, that's who.
what is the proof of BillyPoo's capabilities to judge a professional rugby coach?
btw, i believe that the national coach should be allowed to appoint all of his own coaching team.
wouldn't it be nice - and probably most effective - if the job were tendered and bidders judged on their overall proposals and personnel?
tender the whole coaching capacity?
Quick Hands
David Wilson (68)
Good questions, although I never said that the national coach shouldn't bring his own people with him, just that there should be oversight by the ARU for people appointed to the Wallabies. Nathan Grey has spent 2 years as assistant coach at the Rebels and one year at the Waratahs. I have also said on a number of occasions that the head coach should have input into assistant coaches, but not necessarily the admin and logistics staff who should be ARU appointments.
Crashy
John Solomon (38)
Very interesting read in the Fin review today. Now Fox Sports are rumoured to be paying more for their share of the rights in a deal that is 'imminent'. Add the foreign deal and the ARU are looking at $40 per year which is an extra $15 mil.
Thoughts are that the 5 Soup clubs get an extra $1 million each and the remaining $10 mil goes to grassroots and covering for the RWC years when a substantial loss is expected. Who knows, Shute Shield and Brisbane premier rugby clubs might actually see an increase in annual grants as well as the other affiliates such as country, suburban,womens, juniors etc...
Thoughts are that the 5 Soup clubs get an extra $1 million each and the remaining $10 mil goes to grassroots and covering for the RWC years when a substantial loss is expected. Who knows, Shute Shield and Brisbane premier rugby clubs might actually see an increase in annual grants as well as the other affiliates such as country, suburban,womens, juniors etc...
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Nathan Sharpe (72)
It was reported on Friday that the clubs would be getting nothing, let alone an increase.
The $40m was reported many weeks ago but got buried in phone gate.
The foregoing propositions seem implicitly contradictory.
Muglair
Alfred Walker (16)
I thought the previous reports were that there was not much on top of the existing deal ($25m) with the additional money ($15m) basically coming from offshore broadcasters. That is a ringing endorsement for southern hemisphere rugby (overseas interest) and a thumbs down for the domestic interest.
The new news in the AFR article is that Fox might tip in extra $15m provided it is used to ensure rugby's financial health. According to the source this is because it makes no commercial sense to Fox to support a sport that is broke. On one hand that is good news, on the other not much of a wrap for the sport in Australia. Fox are mad if they do not put some conditions on there as well so that some other broadcaster does not reap the benefits next time around if the ARU rebuilds the health of the game.
What a clusterfuck. Hard not to be a conspiracy theorist about why the respective News Limited papers have gone quiet in their rugby war.
The new news in the AFR article is that Fox might tip in extra $15m provided it is used to ensure rugby's financial health. According to the source this is because it makes no commercial sense to Fox to support a sport that is broke. On one hand that is good news, on the other not much of a wrap for the sport in Australia. Fox are mad if they do not put some conditions on there as well so that some other broadcaster does not reap the benefits next time around if the ARU rebuilds the health of the game.
What a clusterfuck. Hard not to be a conspiracy theorist about why the respective News Limited papers have gone quiet in their rugby war.
Inside Shoulder
Nathan Sharpe (72)
Hard not to see this organ of Fairfax shit stirring.
But assuming Fox are concerned - concerned enough to put their own people in???? - we, as loyalists through and through, need to be alert to the grass roots suffering from even greater neglect if fox get their hands on the levers.
Clusterfuck about sums it up.
went and bought the Fin Review for this so here are the highlights.
incorrect. Its a little more on top of their already $15M contribution. Perhaps a mill or two. The question is whether its on top of their NRC contribution.
- ARU on the brink (within a couple of weeks) of signing new broadcasting deal worth much more than current deal.
- As previously reported the ARU will get more revenue from OS broadcasters which, WITH THE MONEY FROM FOX, will see the sport get up to $40M per year compared to $25M it currently gets.
- Fox are also set to tip slightly more than the $15M IT CURRENTLY PROVIDES as long as the money is used to ensure rugby's financial health. Reason is because it is not in fox's interests to support a sport that would otherwise be broke.
- Fox likely to sell free to air rights (doesn't specify to what???) to Ten (which is the subject of its own front page story in the FR about a possible takeover from Time Warner - handy money!)
incorrect. Its a little more on top of their already $15M contribution. Perhaps a mill or two. The question is whether its on top of their NRC contribution.
Quick Hands
David Wilson (68)
It took the Crawford review of soccer, which basically threatened the sport that it would no longer receive any government money or support until it fixed up its administration, for soccer to change. Rugby really needs something similar. There's simply no way that the current clique who have their hands on the levers of power will relinquish anything voluntarily.
EDIT: Soccer had the ethnic warlords, we have the GPS aristocracy - but the issue is the same.
Jagman
Trevor Allan (34)
The ARU are not giving the clubs any money NEXT year, 2015. That's the year they're meant to go broke. The new broadcasting deal is for 2016 onwards so there's every chance they could be throwing 10 mil into grass roots but not til 2016.
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Chilla Wilson (44)
So still could be a decrease in real terms for the domestic rights. At a time when all the other codes have had huge increases.
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ARU are in negotiations with Channel 10 to broadcast 1 super rugby match per round live, likely on Friday night. Negotiations are continuing so it could end up been delayed.
Additionally, ARU are negotiating to include the NRC as part of the broadcast agreement, which would guarantee its competition until 2021 if so.
Additionally, ARU are negotiating to include the NRC as part of the broadcast agreement, which would guarantee its competition until 2021 if so.
Muglair
Alfred Walker (16)
Thanks RR, I have read the article again and the sentence is poorly worded. As the current payment is $25m where does the reference to Fox's current $15m come from? Surely TEN does not pay $10m. It could be that the journalist didn't get his facts straight or didn't understand. A common problem.
However if the ARU is almost broke, will likely make a loss this year (along with the Force and the Rebels), will certainly make a big loss next year, then an extra couple of million is not much help. Realistically $15m is more like the number required to fill some black holes, fund the right number of personnel and allow some money to flow downwards (e.g. eliminating that levy).
If Fox then wants some leverage for the extra funds then I hope it is $15m. Compromising control of the game for $1-2 m which only delays the inevitable by a couple of months is much worse. A real thrashclusterwankfuck in my opinion.
However if the ARU is almost broke, will likely make a loss this year (along with the Force and the Rebels), will certainly make a big loss next year, then an extra couple of million is not much help. Realistically $15m is more like the number required to fill some black holes, fund the right number of personnel and allow some money to flow downwards (e.g. eliminating that levy).
If Fox then wants some leverage for the extra funds then I hope it is $15m. Compromising control of the game for $1-2 m which only delays the inevitable by a couple of months is much worse. A real thrashclusterwankfuck in my opinion.
Crashy
John Solomon (38)
Pretty sure the TV rights are $25 million per year of which $10 million is sold to Channel 10 (by Fox).
Reds will post yet another profit this year of circa $500k ( they have posted millions over the last few years which is awesome).
Tahs are rumoured to post circa $1 million this year meaning NSW Rugby grassroots should receive an extra $100k at least which will hopefully flow down.
Brumbies will lose $700k this year as stated by their CEO, Force will be a small loss as their crowds were up a smidge this year ( some rain affected games hurt their gate takings) and Rebels will bleed at least a mil I assume.
The ARU really needs $40 mil per year at least. Of the extra $15 mil, you’d expect $1 mil to the clubs and I would imagine a small increase to the salary cap should occur as well. An extra mil would ensure 4 of the clubs would post a profit each year. The remaining $10 mil must be spent on development and grass roots.
The PE bid to run the Waratahs by Dwyer etc has openly stated the funds would go to developing grassroots in NSW so there is some money coming in from other areas – PLUS the Tahs will see bigger crowds and memberships next year.
Reds will post yet another profit this year of circa $500k ( they have posted millions over the last few years which is awesome).
Tahs are rumoured to post circa $1 million this year meaning NSW Rugby grassroots should receive an extra $100k at least which will hopefully flow down.
Brumbies will lose $700k this year as stated by their CEO, Force will be a small loss as their crowds were up a smidge this year ( some rain affected games hurt their gate takings) and Rebels will bleed at least a mil I assume.
The ARU really needs $40 mil per year at least. Of the extra $15 mil, you’d expect $1 mil to the clubs and I would imagine a small increase to the salary cap should occur as well. An extra mil would ensure 4 of the clubs would post a profit each year. The remaining $10 mil must be spent on development and grass roots.
The PE bid to run the Waratahs by Dwyer etc has openly stated the funds would go to developing grassroots in NSW so there is some money coming in from other areas – PLUS the Tahs will see bigger crowds and memberships next year.
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Well even the most popular tests (Bledisloe Cup) were down on attendance so there's some reduced revenue. Then there's the decrease in the June tests. There's another drop in revenue. Then due to all the injuries, more un-contracted players have made squads and are paid whilst the core players are paid in addition, so there's more costs.
If it's 2013/2014 FY then the cost of paying out Deans would be in there whilst contracting Link. Potentially there's the JON pay out someway coming out of this year too (not certain on that).
Anyway there's a few ways the income would be reduced and the expenses may have increased.
If it's 2013/2014 FY then the cost of paying out Deans would be in there whilst contracting Link. Potentially there's the JON pay out someway coming out of this year too (not certain on that).
Anyway there's a few ways the income would be reduced and the expenses may have increased.
Strewthcobber
Simon Poidevin (60)
ARU do their Financial report on a Calender Year basis
You'd think that expenses would be pretty much known year to year, at least within a couple of percent. Maybe the NRC is having a bigger hit than is being reported? Cheika's deal probably isn't so large as to have a noticeable impact.
On the revenue side Sponsorship and Broadcasting would be pretty much fixed, so that only really leaves crowd size as having a big effect.
Averaging 36,000 for the 7 home tests just isn't enough.......
You'd think that expenses would be pretty much known year to year, at least within a couple of percent. Maybe the NRC is having a bigger hit than is being reported? Cheika's deal probably isn't so large as to have a noticeable impact.
On the revenue side Sponsorship and Broadcasting would be pretty much fixed, so that only really leaves crowd size as having a big effect.
Averaging 36,000 for the 7 home tests just isn't enough.......
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Train Without a Station
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Between the fact that it was inferior opposition with less appeal, and that the Lions tour games were run by the ARU and the states received $1M or something similar and therefore the ARU probably received over $1M for all of them combined you have to consider that would significantly reduce revenue this year.
Marcelo
Ken Catchpole (46)
From $100,000 a season to nothing: Sydney premiership clubs maul ARU over funding cuts
THE 12 Sydney premiership rugby clubs have sent a strongly worded letter to the Australian Rugby Union voicing their opposition at the cash-strapped organisation cutting all their funding for next season.
A copy of the letter addressed to ARU chairman Michael Hawker from the members of the Sydney Rugby Union has been obtained by The Daily Telegraph.
“The perception is that the ARU has abandoned Community Rugby, electing not to fund grassroots rugby while continually introducing new programs requiring a substantial commitment of time, resources and funding from the participants,” the letter states.
“What is your Board’s long- term vision for the game of rugby and specifically community or grassroots rugby?”
http://www.foxsports.com.au/rugby/f...ver-funding-cuts/story-e6frf4pu-1227123554084
THE 12 Sydney premiership rugby clubs have sent a strongly worded letter to the Australian Rugby Union voicing their opposition at the cash-strapped organisation cutting all their funding for next season.
A copy of the letter addressed to ARU chairman Michael Hawker from the members of the Sydney Rugby Union has been obtained by The Daily Telegraph.
“The perception is that the ARU has abandoned Community Rugby, electing not to fund grassroots rugby while continually introducing new programs requiring a substantial commitment of time, resources and funding from the participants,” the letter states.
“What is your Board’s long- term vision for the game of rugby and specifically community or grassroots rugby?”
http://www.foxsports.com.au/rugby/f...ver-funding-cuts/story-e6frf4pu-1227123554084
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