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Nathan Sharpe (72)
The de-pulverisation has begun.
Next step the board announcing their full support for BP.
http://goo.gl/3763rG
Next step the board announcing their full support for BP.
http://goo.gl/3763rG
The Pulverisation of Australian Rugby
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Steve Williams (59)
And edited version of this situation:
Seeing as how BP is such a VIP, shouldn't we keep the PC on the QT? 'Cause if it leaks, he could end up MIA, and then we'd all be put on KP.
Seeing as how BP is such a VIP, shouldn't we keep the PC on the QT? 'Cause if it leaks, he could end up MIA, and then we'd all be put on KP.
Quick Hands
David Wilson (68)
I suspect we need a good old-fashioned Stalinist purge of the board as well.
Interesting how rugby's worldwide search for a CEO came up with a bloke who went to school with the Chariman and lives around the corner. The NRL did a worldwide search for a CEO and came up with a Welsh mechant banker (who incidentally is a rugby fan), who made it plain that his job was all about governance.
I believe that's why the external consultant was hired and they've just come up with the branding.
ARU Board of Directors 2015 - Get with the Pogrom.
Inside Shoulder
Nathan Sharpe (72)
and the name of those consultants?
Since when do faceless men have names?
Inside Shoulder
Nathan Sharpe (72)
I think I know who it was - but google is letting me down
May I just point out that this approach is not new, and not isolated the ARU.
Unofficial networks pervade all businesses and it is "safer" often to bring someone in from one of those networks as they understand, can live with, the culture.
Those same networks make private, more honest references easier to come by as well.
The presumption that Pulver is there to try to stabilize and put some pieces back together after change agent O'Neil slashed and burned is not unreasonable as well
Not agreeing, but just stating the reality.
Unofficial networks pervade all businesses and it is "safer" often to bring someone in from one of those networks as they understand, can live with, the culture.
Those same networks make private, more honest references easier to come by as well.
The presumption that Pulver is there to try to stabilize and put some pieces back together after change agent O'Neil slashed and burned is not unreasonable as well
Not agreeing, but just stating the reality.
Inside Shoulder
Nathan Sharpe (72)
OK. Got it.
I was thinking of the consultants appointed by the ARU last year.
They were Saltbush Capital Markets.
Quick Hands
David Wilson (68)
True, although many would argue that the entrenched network and the culture that it brings is a large part of the problem that rugby faces.
Inside Shoulder
Nathan Sharpe (72)
Well at least you could make a case on the basis of "how's that working for you"?
partly a problem and partly a benefit like most things.
I remember reading an article at uni on business networks that used Farr-Jones as an example
Newington old boy
Sydney Uni old boy
Sydney Uni Law School
Sydney Rugby Union
Australian Rugby Union
etc etc
It isn't surprising that he ended up in Merchant Banking (which is in the end a sales job) because of those connections and networks
but, yes it has it's downside as well.
The challenge is about exploiting the positive parts of that entrenched network while limiting the negatives.
Funnily enough a winning team seems to reduce the negatives
It is what it is
John Solomon (38)
Today it seems that the ARU just isn't connecting with broader stakeholders.
It's junior clubs and community rugby, public schools, western sydney, and the aboriginal and pacific islander communities that need some love.
I also acknowledge I've no doubt missed some important groups.
The love doesn't have to be money, but the love can't be token either.
If the make up of the board has a distinct sameness to it by individual, how can it cater to such a diversity of stakeholders successfully?
It's junior clubs and community rugby, public schools, western sydney, and the aboriginal and pacific islander communities that need some love.
I also acknowledge I've no doubt missed some important groups.
The love doesn't have to be money, but the love can't be token either.
If the make up of the board has a distinct sameness to it by individual, how can it cater to such a diversity of stakeholders successfully?
Quick Hands
David Wilson (68)
Absolutely agree, but with current state of the adminstration none of those important things are going to happen.
Think soccer for a moment, they were a basket case for decades, riven by ethnic and political tensions, petty empire building etc. They had thousands of juniors and volunteer coaches at the grass roots, but they were still a distant 4th in the football landscape. Look at soccer now - all that really happened was they got their administration in order and with a bit of hard work the Socceroos are now sellout crowds for home matches, Sydney and Melbourne derbies attract 35,000-40,000 people to club matches. In fact , they've gone forward at about the same speed that we have gone backwards.
I just despair, we've won 2 world ups and hosted another one and look at the state of the game
T
Train Without a Station
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That's the point QH. Soccer had thousands at the grass roots but it wasn't harnessed properly. Changing administration won't change that for rugby.
It's easier to get people interested in the A-League/Socceroos if they are already interested in Soccer.
You can bag the administration all you like, but they've put in place Junior Pathways, the NRC and are doing what they can to get more broadcast money to fund doing more. Hard to spend money on the grass roots when you have no money.
Soccer was big at the bottom but disorganized at the top. From your statement I'd say rugby has overachieved in Australian when you look at what it draws from.
It's easier to get people interested in the A-League/Socceroos if they are already interested in Soccer.
You can bag the administration all you like, but they've put in place Junior Pathways, the NRC and are doing what they can to get more broadcast money to fund doing more. Hard to spend money on the grass roots when you have no money.
Soccer was big at the bottom but disorganized at the top. From your statement I'd say rugby has overachieved in Australian when you look at what it draws from.
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Mark Ella (57)
Absolutely agree, but with current state of the adminstration none of those important things are going to happen.
Think soccer for a moment, they were a basket case for decades, riven by ethnic and political tensions, petty empire building etc. They had thousands of juniors and volunteer coaches at the grass roots, but they were still a distant 4th in the football landscape. Look at soccer now - all that really happened was they got their administration in order and with a bit of hard work the Socceroos are now sellout crowds for home matches, Sydney and Melbourne derbies attract 35,000-40,000 people to club matches. In fact , they've gone forward at about the same speed that we have gone backwards.
I just despair, we've won 2 world ups and hosted another one and look at the state of the game
don't get too concerned, soccer is a summer sport these days, they are cricket's competition
we have enough to be concerned with the NRL & AFL
Muglair
Alfred Walker (16)
I am not sure I agree TWAS. We may have over achieved sometime in the past but we are certainly underachieving to a very high standard now.
Soccer is a world game with a big following in Australia, especially with such a large immigrant population. They just killed us with petty nationalism massively outperforming petty provincialism in the race to the bottom.
In the long run both sports have a natural advantage because they are global games. Rugby is now an Olympic sport with men and women both competing at an elite level. This is so important I think the NRL will spend a lot of their available dough trying to expand internationally.
The ARU is failing on this. I don't know what they should be doing but when the top 3 (Chairman, CEO and #2) were all at the same school within 4 years of each other (MW/BP 77, Rob Clarke 1981?) it is a bit hard to imagine they do not suffer from group think and will not come up with some dramatic new ideas and vision.
I have been waiting for a 3rd tier since about 1984 so I am a fan of it as a necessary path towards being one of the best nations. Again an enormous amount of money has been ploughed into it. There were other cheaper alternatives and I hope we aim for a more modest first step next time. 9 teams at $350k + Fox $1m. At least $4m, will there be that much dough around next year?
Soccer is a world game with a big following in Australia, especially with such a large immigrant population. They just killed us with petty nationalism massively outperforming petty provincialism in the race to the bottom.
In the long run both sports have a natural advantage because they are global games. Rugby is now an Olympic sport with men and women both competing at an elite level. This is so important I think the NRL will spend a lot of their available dough trying to expand internationally.
The ARU is failing on this. I don't know what they should be doing but when the top 3 (Chairman, CEO and #2) were all at the same school within 4 years of each other (MW/BP 77, Rob Clarke 1981?) it is a bit hard to imagine they do not suffer from group think and will not come up with some dramatic new ideas and vision.
I have been waiting for a 3rd tier since about 1984 so I am a fan of it as a necessary path towards being one of the best nations. Again an enormous amount of money has been ploughed into it. There were other cheaper alternatives and I hope we aim for a more modest first step next time. 9 teams at $350k + Fox $1m. At least $4m, will there be that much dough around next year?
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Nathan Sharpe (72)
Regrettably, i think we are over achieving based on playing numbers and the fact that rugby effectively gets swamped by 2 other codes.
Look at league - they lost to the Kiwis so they're ranked #2 this week and we're #3. Plus we play the #1 and #2 teams at least twice every year - se we are on a hiding to nothing.
I reckon that's not bad: I want more but statistically its pretty good.
T
Train Without a Station
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I'm not saying we should accept the state of rugby. But if we blame everything on every current administration there will be nobody left.
Yes at some point things went downhill, but that point is long past and people are pushing hard to get it in the right direction.
Soccer has international appeal, but also lacks a close to identical competitor that is able to tailor their sport for the local market.
If you want a sport which has collisions, ball running, etc. You have a choice.
What's a similar sport to Soccer? There's also the fact that there are more Soccer fans in Australia than A-League fans. These are untapped fans that already existing. Rugby doesn't have people who sit around saying "Oh I only watch the Aviva Premiership".
Yes at some point things went downhill, but that point is long past and people are pushing hard to get it in the right direction.
Soccer has international appeal, but also lacks a close to identical competitor that is able to tailor their sport for the local market.
If you want a sport which has collisions, ball running, etc. You have a choice.
What's a similar sport to Soccer? There's also the fact that there are more Soccer fans in Australia than A-League fans. These are untapped fans that already existing. Rugby doesn't have people who sit around saying "Oh I only watch the Aviva Premiership".
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