wamberal99
Jim Clark (26)
Chubby has used his bag of tricks up. He was good for the Tahs at the time, got them fit for one thing. Let's not go around this merry-go-round again, please. Let's get a coach with a new bag of tricks.
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Chubby has used his bag of tricks up. He was good for the Tahs at the time, got them fit for one thing. Let's not go around this merry-go-round again, please. Let's get a coach with a new bag of tricks.
Highlander35
Steve Williams (59)
Putting aside literally everything else about that particular game, I have a thought experiment
Bernard Foley misses the final kick against Scotland in the '15 Quarter final, who had played some thoroughly average Rugby, losing comfortably to RSA, scraping a win over Samoa and getting Japan on the short break.
Is Chieka still seen as a net positive for the WOBs?
His consequential final record against T1s would read something like:
Argentina: 7-1
England: 1-8
France: 1-1-0
Ireland: 1-4-0
Italy: 2-0-0
NZ: 3-10-0
Scotland: 1-3-0
RSA: 3-3-2
Wales: 4-2
for a total of: 23-32-2, a win% of under 42%
Bernard Foley misses the final kick against Scotland in the '15 Quarter final, who had played some thoroughly average Rugby, losing comfortably to RSA, scraping a win over Samoa and getting Japan on the short break.
Is Chieka still seen as a net positive for the WOBs?
His consequential final record against T1s would read something like:
Argentina: 7-1
England: 1-8
France: 1-1-0
Ireland: 1-4-0
Italy: 2-0-0
NZ: 3-10-0
Scotland: 1-3-0
RSA: 3-3-2
Wales: 4-2
for a total of: 23-32-2, a win% of under 42%
noscrumnolife
Bill Watson (15)
Or if Joubert just hadn't made the openly wrong call lol. I'd contend that up until this year Cheika was the worst performing coach we'd had since going professional, especially when cattle he was working with are taken into account. Closely followed by dull dave.
Luckily for them Eddie bottomed out so hard it seems like plenty of rose tinted glasses are being applied to their tenures at the moment.
Luckily for them Eddie bottomed out so hard it seems like plenty of rose tinted glasses are being applied to their tenures at the moment.
Derpus
Nathan Sharpe (72)
I mean, surely not. His reign outside that world cup run was terrible.
But it was a good world cup run and Foley did slot that last minute penalty. Just as he did against the Crusaders (also helping to pad out Cheika's reign).
Derpus
Nathan Sharpe (72)
People put undue weight on that one decision (which was wrong) because of when it happened. But refs make hundreds of mistakes across the entirety of a world cup campaign in our favour and against. On balance it was still a very good run.
Highlander35
Steve Williams (59)
As a Scotland fan first it's not reasonable for that to the the starting point of any WOBS related issue.
Wilson
Phil Kearns (64)
noscrumnolife
Bill Watson (15)
No doubt it was a very good run Derpus. But equally it would never be seen that way were it not for such a tiny margin. Such is sport and a coaches lot.
Think we are in agreement about how we see Cheika anyway.
KevinO
Geoff Shaw (53)
And you take away the 6 wins at the 2015 RWC and his percentage is below 40.
Tomthumb
Peter Fenwicke (45)
I was led to believe at 38% was “making positive gains” so 42% would surely be great?
Tomthumb
Peter Fenwicke (45)
And if you take away all of his losses his percentage would be 100
HogansHeros
Dave Cowper (27)
Have you considered the close losses?
KevinO
Geoff Shaw (53)
Well I pretty much mean, he was good for 2015 and then for 2016-19 the Wallabies were as bad as they have been now.
Derpus
Nathan Sharpe (72)
Unpopular opinion but the traditional Italian method is bland af.
Hard to track which 'Aussie' coaches are around - heres a bit of a list to consider - not suggesting they will be available/interested.
Billy Millard – Director Rugby Performance - Harlequins
Jake White – Director of Rugby – Bulls (SAF)
Pete Wilkins – Head Coach – Connacht
Dan McKellar – Head Coach – Leicester
Peter Hewat – Head Coach – Black Rams Tokyo
Robbie Deans - Head Coach – Saitama Wild Knights
Scott Fardy – Defence Coach – Connacht
Michael Todd - Defence Coach -Edinburgh
Julian Salvi – Breakdown Coach – Benetton
Dan Palmer - Scrum Coach - Leicester
James Kent – Skills Consultant – Stade Français
Ruaidrhri Murphy – something - Black Rams Tokyo
Matt Tyalor – something (defence I assume) - Black Rams Tokyo
Matt Lucas – something - Black Rams Tokyo
Ollie Richardson – Head of Physical Performance – Leicester
John Pryor – S&C Advisor - Suntory
Billy Millard – Director Rugby Performance - Harlequins
Jake White – Director of Rugby – Bulls (SAF)
Pete Wilkins – Head Coach – Connacht
Dan McKellar – Head Coach – Leicester
Peter Hewat – Head Coach – Black Rams Tokyo
Robbie Deans - Head Coach – Saitama Wild Knights
Scott Fardy – Defence Coach – Connacht
Michael Todd - Defence Coach -Edinburgh
Julian Salvi – Breakdown Coach – Benetton
Dan Palmer - Scrum Coach - Leicester
James Kent – Skills Consultant – Stade Français
Ruaidrhri Murphy – something - Black Rams Tokyo
Matt Tyalor – something (defence I assume) - Black Rams Tokyo
Matt Lucas – something - Black Rams Tokyo
Ollie Richardson – Head of Physical Performance – Leicester
John Pryor – S&C Advisor - Suntory
wamberal99
Jim Clark (26)
John Manenti is a good coach.
LeCheese
Greg Davis (50)
To see the drain of talent listed out like that is pretty confronting - especially considering it's not a 100% extensive list
Tazzmania
Bob Loudon (25)
We cannot keep doing what we have been doing and expect different results, therefore we need to accept:
1) Due to lack of planning, systems, and twenty plus years of issues there is no Australian coach ready to take on the job whether we like it or not or whether it is palatable with the players, supporters and the RA mafia or not.
2) We need to get in our heads that their is no "Australian style of play" it is made up spin. I have yet to see at lower levels players and / or even overseas teams being told to play the "Australian style of play".
Watching the world cup our players lack the same skill set, physicality and rugby IQ that the top five or six rugby nations have so we need a coach for the long haul that will start building, and the goal has to be to make small incremental measurable improvements each match / year. We cannot expect to be world beaters in a few months.
The coach also needs to tell it like it is to the supporters/media and not the marketing spin we have been fed for decades.
We need to improve our reality and set lower expectations.
I believe that the next coach needs to be either South African or a New Zealander as rugby IQ is part of their DNA
1) Due to lack of planning, systems, and twenty plus years of issues there is no Australian coach ready to take on the job whether we like it or not or whether it is palatable with the players, supporters and the RA mafia or not.
2) We need to get in our heads that their is no "Australian style of play" it is made up spin. I have yet to see at lower levels players and / or even overseas teams being told to play the "Australian style of play".
Watching the world cup our players lack the same skill set, physicality and rugby IQ that the top five or six rugby nations have so we need a coach for the long haul that will start building, and the goal has to be to make small incremental measurable improvements each match / year. We cannot expect to be world beaters in a few months.
The coach also needs to tell it like it is to the supporters/media and not the marketing spin we have been fed for decades.
We need to improve our reality and set lower expectations.
I believe that the next coach needs to be either South African or a New Zealander as rugby IQ is part of their DNA