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Billy Sheehan (19)
Hmm. I am a young player, approached by two Unions for my signature.
One extremely successful and professionally run Union with trophies in the cupboard and a winning tradition. It has great facilities centrally located, and I will play in front of a loyal crowd in a full stadium. There I will train along and be mentored by world class players, many the best in the world. I will learn from them, and hopefully eventually play with them and maybe even replace them.
Option B. I sign with a Union in crisis for the last decade. A coaching carousel, not to mention multiple players going to court to get out of their contracts. The stadium is in the middle of a ghetto, the training facilities an hour drive from there. No winning tradition, hell no winning, most players of note can't wait to leave.
What to do, what to do?
One extremely successful and professionally run Union with trophies in the cupboard and a winning tradition. It has great facilities centrally located, and I will play in front of a loyal crowd in a full stadium. There I will train along and be mentored by world class players, many the best in the world. I will learn from them, and hopefully eventually play with them and maybe even replace them.
Option B. I sign with a Union in crisis for the last decade. A coaching carousel, not to mention multiple players going to court to get out of their contracts. The stadium is in the middle of a ghetto, the training facilities an hour drive from there. No winning tradition, hell no winning, most players of note can't wait to leave.
What to do, what to do?
PaarlBok
Rod McCall (65)
Boet ja, but there are supporters like GMan that lives in Bobbejaansberg and still support their team and go every weekend to go watch them, we got two current Lion S14 players dads on the Protea forum , if you think they cant add value here, go live in lululand. Much better to get their view about their matters then getting the views about their game from SA Expats that have blue blood and think they know everything about Lions rugby.Biffo said:
I know you dont want them here but nevermind. :nta:
Biffo
Ken Catchpole (46)
PaarlBok said:
You seem to have got my point, PB
I think you have a great idea there - please ask a real Lions supporter to give us some insight into the problems and possible solutions.I am very interested in RSA rugby, not so interested in partisan views from within it.
Gotta go watch the Brumbies and Tahs!
PaarlBok
Rod McCall (65)
Boet you honestly dont know your Reds stats at all, fuck me.Noddy said:
The Lions have you roll you over in the past and the last in the time 2007-2009 you only had 4 wins against SA teams while we roll you over 10 times.
2009 SA Reds
Bulls 33 - 20 Reds 1
Reds 20 - 31 Lions 1
Reds 25 - 13 The Sharks 1
Reds 22 - 3 Cheetahs 1
Stormers 27 - 24 Reds 1
2008
Cheetahs 29 - 14 Reds 1
Lions 24 - 24 Reds
Reds 40 - 8 Bulls 1
Reds 16 - 34 Stormers 1
Sharks 22 - 10 Reds 1
2007
Bulls 92 - 3 Reds 1
Reds 23 - 13 Cheetahs 1
Reds 16 - 59 Sharks 1
Reds 20 - 26 Lions 1
Stormers 37 - 24 Reds 1
10 4
Rhere are some really ugly reading for the Reds fans, vokket. :
PaarlBok said:Boet you honestly dont know your Reds stats at all, fuck me.Noddy said:
The Lions have you roll you over in the past and the last in the time 2007-2009 you only had 4 wins against SA teams while we roll you over 10 times.
2009 SA Reds
Bulls 33 - 20 Reds 1
Reds 20 - 31 Lions 1
Reds 25 - 13 The Sharks 1
Reds 22 - 3 Cheetahs 1
Stormers 27 - 24 Reds 1
2008
Cheetahs 29 - 14 Reds 1
Lions 24 - 24 Reds
Reds 40 - 8 Bulls 1
Reds 16 - 34 Stormers 1
Sharks 22 - 10 Reds 1
2007
Bulls 92 - 3 Reds 1
Reds 23 - 13 Cheetahs 1
Reds 16 - 59 Sharks 1
Reds 20 - 26 Lions 1
Stormers 37 - 24 Reds 1
10 4
Rhere are some really ugly reading for the Reds fans, vokket. :
You want stats? You can't handle the stats!
here you go, Reds v Saffer teams in S12 and 14:
Played Won Lost Drawn Win % Loss %
Transvaal 2 2 0 0 100.00% 0.00%
Western Province 1 1 0 0 100.00% 0.00%
Cats 9 8 1 0 88.89% 11.11%
Sharks 13 8 5 0 61.54% 38.46%
Natal 3 2 1 0 66.67% 33.33%
Bulls 15 9 6 0 60.00% 40.00%
Cheetahs 5 3 2 0 60.00% 40.00%
Stormers 13 4 9 0 30.77% 69.23%
Lions 4 1 2 1 25.00% 50.00%
Orange Free State 1 0 1 0 0.00% 100.00%
TOTAL 66 38 27 1 57.58% 40.91%
Something more recent since this is, afterall, a Lions thread.
13-02-2010 5:05pm Lions (SA) - 13 v Stormers (SA) - 26 Johannesburg
19-02-2010 8:00pm Lions (SA) - 65 v Chiefs (NZ) - 72 Johannesburg
27-02-2010 7:35pm Hurricanes (NZ) - 33 v Lions (SA) - 18 Wellington
05-03-2010 7:40pm Brumbies (ACT) - 24 v Lions (SA) - 13 Canberra
12-03-2010 7:40pm Waratahs (NSW) - 73 v Lions (SA) - 12 Sydney
20-03-2010 5:30pm Crusaders (NZ) - 46 v Lions (SA) - 19 Christchurch
26-03-2010 7:35pm Highlanders (NZ) - 39 v Lions (SA) - 29 Dunedin
10-04-2010 7:10pm Lions (SA) - 26 v Queensland Reds - 41 Johannesburg
17-04-2010 5:05pm Lions (SA) - 28 v Sharks (SA) - 32 Johannesburg
24-04-2010 3:00pm Bulls (SA) - 51 v Lions (SA) - 11 Pretoria
01-05-2010 5:05pm Lions (SA) - 12 v Emirates Western Force - 33 Johannesburg
07-05-2010 7:10pm Lions (SA) - 14 v Blues (NZ) - 56 Johannesburg
15-05-2010 3:00pm Cheetahs (SA) v Lions (SA) Kimberley
PaarlBok
Rod McCall (65)
Nope it will never happen. SA have provincial borders and the provinces made the franchises.Ruggo said:
If a S14 franchise want players, they'll have to contracted him, not 100% sure but we suppose to have a window period. Thats more or less the problem the Kings or any SA S14 franchise have, they'll have to get in the S14 to attrack sponsors.
Ash
Michael Lynagh (62)
This pissing contest is silly about who was worse, because right now there is none worse than the Lions for a while.
Fact is the Lions team are detiorating, and look like they are already worse than even the Reds were in 2007 - 2008. It is getting to the stage where the comparisons will come between the Lions of 2010 - onwards and the Bulls teams of late 90s / early 2000s, where the Bulls had seasons of zero/one/two wins and many, many floggings. The low point that I remember for the Bulls was when betting agencies suspended betting in a Crusaders v Bulls game, simply because there was no conceivable way anyone could see the Bulls winning - and indeed the Crusaders handing them a beating. 10 years later and the Bulls are the dominant team in the comp.
The question is, can the Lions improve the way the Bulls did? The Lions have problems that the Bulls didn't have. So can they be fixed? Will the Lions be competitive, as in not in the bottom 3, within the next 10+ years?
Serious questions, because right now I can't see how the Lions can be competitive within that time frame.
Fact is the Lions team are detiorating, and look like they are already worse than even the Reds were in 2007 - 2008. It is getting to the stage where the comparisons will come between the Lions of 2010 - onwards and the Bulls teams of late 90s / early 2000s, where the Bulls had seasons of zero/one/two wins and many, many floggings. The low point that I remember for the Bulls was when betting agencies suspended betting in a Crusaders v Bulls game, simply because there was no conceivable way anyone could see the Bulls winning - and indeed the Crusaders handing them a beating. 10 years later and the Bulls are the dominant team in the comp.
The question is, can the Lions improve the way the Bulls did? The Lions have problems that the Bulls didn't have. So can they be fixed? Will the Lions be competitive, as in not in the bottom 3, within the next 10+ years?
Serious questions, because right now I can't see how the Lions can be competitive within that time frame.
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