The League Media

[Inside Shoulder]

As an aside, what you lose in space vertically from league, you make up for horizontally in union. Never let a leaguie tell you otherwise.
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I'm sure there's a gem in there and I've only had one beer but I just can't work it out

 

[Inside Shoulder]

Dagg was, Smith currently is (Jordie, I think, will be a great 10 or 12 who may play some 15 (or 23) just to get him on the park) but NM-S I believe has the potential to be a better specialist 15 than either of them, the only thing missing ATM is a long kicking game which was, of course, Cullen's alleged weakness.

Might not be long by nz standards but I think I saw one today that was better than our current 15s best effort

 

[Pfitzy]

Your tracking, tackling, passing mechanics, footwork into contact, and running lines (particularly those two over/under screen pass lines).

The problem is they League doesn't prepare you mentally for a the good defensive structure in union. The number of times you see a League line defense get beaten on the outside is positively criminal - and I'm not talking about the fact there are two less guys. This is about simple numbers defense failing to communicate or drift effectively.

 

[I like to watch]

The problem is they don't prepare you mentally for a good defensive structure in union. The number of times you see a line defense get beaten on the outside is positively criminal - and I'm not talking about the fact there are two less guys. This is about simple numbers defense failing to communicate or drift effectively.

To be fair, who in League ever expects Someone will actually pass it?

 

[Marcelo]

Rugby league is an excellent skill development stepping stone. You take out set piece, minimise kicking, and the number of phases you defend for and what do you have left to work on?

Your tracking, tackling, passing mechanics, footwork into contact, and running lines (particularly those two over/under screen pass lines).

It'll never develop a good prop*, lock, and 9 or 10. It'll also misses a lot of nuances. But by god are they excellent at the basics.

As an aside, what you lose in space vertically from league, you make up for horizontally in union. Never let a leaguie tell you otherwise.

* With the exception of Nic Henderson. What a man.

League is a fantastic game! Look at from my perspective. I'm a foreigner die hard Rugby Union supporter. I watch League since about 5/4 years and each year I like it more and more. It's not difficult for me see why the average Aussie prefer NRL over Super Rugby, the skill levels of the NRL players are stunning. Of course, it's a different game so the skills you create there not always are suitable for Union, it's like 7s. You can be a fantastic 7s player and an awful XV's player, the skills set are different.

From the view of an average fan of sports, in Union Aussies are always smashed by Kiwis at any level, the Kiwis really feel the XV game like part of their lifes. And looks like the numbers of Kiwis living in OZ is one of the reasons why the game is still surviving, because between the Aussies, the difference between number of supporters is increasing each year.

 

[p.Tah]

Only 2 NRL clubs made a profit in 2016. The rest made a total loss of $56.3m

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...al-and-financial-victory-20170227-gumppi.html

 

[amirite]

League is a fantastic game! Look at from my perspective. I'm a foreigner die hard Rugby Union supporter. I watch League since about 5/4 years and each year I like it more and more. It's not difficult for me see why the average Aussie prefer NRL over Super Rugby, the skill levels of the NRL players are stunning. Of course, it's a different game so the skills you create there not always are suitable for Union, it's like 7s. You can be a fantastic 7s player and an awful XV's player, the skills set are different.

From the view of an average fan of sports, in Union Aussies are always smashed by Kiwis at any level, the Kiwis really feel the XV game like part of their lifes. And looks like the numbers of Kiwis living in OZ is one of the reasons why the game is still surviving, because between the Aussies, the difference between number of supporters is increasing each year.

I don't mind league, and I agree it appeals better to your arm chair fan.

However, is it growing year in year out supporter wise? I'm not so sure. I think they're having the same struggles we are.

The problem is they League doesn't prepare you mentally for a the good defensive structure in union. The number of times you see a League line defense get beaten on the outside is positively criminal - and I'm not talking about the fact there are two less guys. This is about simple numbers defense failing to communicate or drift effectively.

I agreed, league teaches good skills but bad structural habits. That's why you'll sparingly see a play-maker change over.

Good teams drift well in league, they've just really effectively mastered their 'front door, back door' rugby (also called 'lines of attack') which makes drifting hard. We pinched that from them.

I'm sure there's a gem in there and I've only had one beer but I just can't work it out

Haha, sure. In league, the space is vertical (try line to try line) because guys have to get back. There's less horitzonal space (side line to side line) because without rucks and the constant need for 3-5 sweepers, they're all set.

Therefore, league has the appearance of more space but actually less.

 

[TOCC]

I used to love League, I was a season member in the early 90s of the Broncos, that was when the game has some brilliant athletes like Renouf playing a beautiful running style of game...

Then Super League happened and increased professionalism and percentage NRL emerged, I'm not afraid to say it's been boring since the 2000's, it's predictable to watch and the best teams are the ones who play a low percentage style of game.

They have a precise set pattern that they follow that they repeat every 6 tackles, and finally when they get within 20m of the try line they put a kick up on the 5th.

Sure the level of intensity is at times great to watch, and there are certainly very skilful players in there, but it doesn't take away from the fact that you know what's going to happen 90% of the time.




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[amirite]

Agreed TOCC. The rugby league code has been cracked. Coaches know the way to play to make it most likely you'll win.

Union, being a complicated beast, has no one answer. This is our biggest blessing and curse.

 

[Marcelo]

I don't mind league, and I agree it appeals better to your arm chair fan.

However, is it growing year in year out supporter wise? I'm not so sure. I think they're having the same struggles we are.

I agreed, league teaches good skills but bad structural habits. That's why you'll sparingly see a play-maker change over.

Good teams drift well in league, they've just really effectively mastered their 'front door, back door' rugby (also called 'lines of attack') which makes drifting hard. We pinched that from them.



Haha, sure. In league, the space is vertical (try line to try line) because guys have to get back. There's less horitzonal space (side line to side line) because without rucks and the constant need for 3-5 sweepers, they're all set.

Therefore, league has the appearance of more space but actually less.

I prefer Rugby Union, just saying that I understand the reasons why the average Aussie prefers League in NSW and QLD. It's a better marketing product

 

[Lindommer]

They have a precise set pattern that they follow that they repeat every 6 tackles, and finally when they get within 20m of the try line they put a kick up on the 5th.

The rugby league code has been cracked. Coaches know the way to play to make it most likely you'll win.

It is, "biff/bash/barge/pass/run/kick". When a coach occasionally mixes up his Bs he's considered a genius.

 

[I like to watch]

I used to love League, I was a season member in the early 90s of the Broncos, that was when the game has some brilliant athletes like Renouf playing a beautiful running style of game.

Then Super League happened and increased professionalism and percentage NRL emerged, I'm not afraid to say it's been boring since the 2000's, it's predictable to watch and the best teams are the ones who play a low percentage style of game.

They have a precise set pattern that they follow that they repeat every 6 tackles, and finally when they get within 20m of the try line they put a kick up on the 5th.

Sure the level of intensity is at times great to watch, and there are certainly very skilful players in there, but it doesn't take away from the fact that you know what's going to happen 90% of the time.




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I was guilty of watching NRL last Sunday.
At one stage Fittler said when he was coaching they had a move for when they were coming off their line called 40.

They would run one out and try and get to the 40, at which time they would kick it.

Which is pretty much every set for every team,every time from my viewing...

 

[Braveheart81]

I am still a Wests Tigers fan and try to catch at least part of their game each week. I can't sit through a whole game live and instead record it and fast forward at 6x speed through the sets of six when neither team is in an attacking position.

I find it to be a deathly boring game now. So much of it is just full contact forcings back.

 

[Marcelo]

Only 2 NRL clubs made a profit in 2016. The rest made a total loss of $56.3m

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...al-and-financial-victory-20170227-gumppi.html

Still in a better position than Super Rugby franchises

 

[amirite]

Still in a better position than Super Rugby franchises

I know the ownership model of the NRL sides isn't an linear as the Aussie Super one, but I feel like 14 organisation running at a loss is worse than 3 or 4 of them running at a loss.

 

[Marcelo]

I know the ownership model of the NRL sides isn't an linear as the Aussie Super one, but I feel like 14 organisation running at a loss is worse than 3 or 4 of them running at a loss.

At least they have total control of their product. I mean, the ARU is tied hand and foot. The big money for ARU come from TV rights, the major audiences come from South Africa and UK. The ARU can't launch their own competition cause the big money is managed by SANZAAR. Leave the SANZAAR is a suicide due the low audiences in OZ and Super Rugby and TRC are in the same package. You don't have the control, meanwhile the ARL is the owner of their TV rights. 10 professional teams in one state sounds mad but they are in a better position. The big boys of Aussie Rugby, NSW and QLD are struggling to hold their finances and they are the only professional teams in their state. It's a very different situation.

Reds is the biggest Aussie franchise according the social network followers, and they have lost a lot of money in the last seasons due to their low performances. Since 2011 the crowds at Suncorp stadium have declived so much.

Reds are the Broncos of Super Rugby and the article says that the Broncos are in a better position than them.

State of Origin is every year bigger and stronger than Bledisloe in Australia. Some users usually say Bledisloe is surviving in OZ due to the the great Kiwi community living in OZ, they buy the tickets

 

[Scrubber2050]

I love a great game of League nearly as much as a great game of Union.

Supporters do not need to be mutually exclusive

 

[Pfitzy]

10 professional teams in one state sounds mad but they are in a better position. The big boys of Aussie Rugby, NSW and QLD are struggling to hold their finances and they are the only professional teams in their state. It's a very different situation.

All of the NRL clubs lost money last year except two.

The Storm are propped up almost entirely on the NRL's whim.

Of the "1 BILLION DOLLAR" deal with 9, $200M of it is "free advertising".

There are some who believe the NRL controlling the Laws of the game are the big advantage, but that completely ignores the fact that Kiwi rugby is exciting to watch and a GREAT product, despite them having about as much say in the Laws as anyone else.

Australia is shit at rugby right now because the control we DO have, we squander in childish political squabbling instead of all pulling in the same direction.

 

[mst]

All of the NRL clubs lost money last year except two.

The Storm are propped up almost entirely on the NRL's whim.

Of the "1 BILLION DOLLAR" deal with 9, $200M of it is "free advertising".

There are some who believe the NRL controlling the Laws of the game are the big advantage, but that completely ignores the fact that Kiwi rugby is exciting to watch and a GREAT product, despite them having about as much say in the Laws as anyone else.

Australia is shit at rugby right now because the control we DO have, we squander in childish political squabbling instead of all pulling in the same direction.

And the inability of someone to man up, grow some and tell all of rugby the way it works from now on.

Amen!

 

[Marcelo]

All of the NRL clubs lost money last year except two.

The Storm are propped up almost entirely on the NRL's whim.

Of the "1 BILLION DOLLAR" deal with 9, $200M of it is "free advertising".

There are some who believe the NRL controlling the Laws of the game are the big advantage, but that completely ignores the fact that Kiwi rugby is exciting to watch and a GREAT product, despite them having about as much say in the Laws as anyone else.

Australia is shit at rugby right now because the control we DO have, we squander in childish political squabbling instead of all pulling in the same direction.

$200M in free advertising is really really good. It's what Rugby Union needs in OZ. I know a Latin American boy who qualified for a skilled migration visa as Software developer. Now he's a legal resident and he's living in Sydney. He likes Rugby Union but right now he supports Rabbitohs, why? Maybe for the advertising. He knows nothing about Waratahs, he only watch the Wallabies games. The reason could be the advertising that one product have over the common people, I'm not talking about the diehard supporters.