The ladder

[Scarfman]

Australia Conference	W	L	D	PD	BP	Pts
Reds	8	2	0	95	4	40
Waratahs	6	4	0	75	4	32
Brumbies	2	7	0	-72	6	22
Western Force	3	6	1	-79	2	20
Melbourne Rebels	3	7	0	-162	3	19
New Zealand Conference	W	L	D	PD	BP	Pts
Blues	8	1	1	67	5	43
Crusaders	7	2	1	151	6	40
Highlanders	7	3	0	13	3	35
Hurricanes	3	6	1	-67	5	23
Chiefs	3	7	0	-27	5	21
South Africa Conference	W	L	D	PD	BP	Pts
Stormers	8	1	0	99	2	42
Sharks	6	4	0	44	6	34
Bulls	5	5	0	-17	3	27
Cheetahs	2	8	0	-43	8	20
Lions	1	9	0	-77	6	14

So, total points by conference:

New Zealand 162
South Africa 137
Australia 133

And for what it's worth, a 15 team ladder:

Blues 43
Stormers 42
Crusaders 40
Reds 40
Highlanders 35
Sharks 34
Waratahs 32
Bulls 27
Hurricanes 23
Brumbies 22
Chiefs 21
Cheetahs 20
Force 20
Rebels 19
Lions 14

 

[GC]

Great news for the Tahs that Gummy Sharks and Clan lost. With their run home I reckon they'll get in the top 6 - may even overtake Reds if they can't deal with Kiwi sides.

 

[cyclopath]

The Reds get to play a few good Kiwi sides at home in Brisbane though, which is good for them. Reds should still top the Aussie table pretty easily I think. Tahs play Bulls and Shorks in The Republic - 2 games I would be surprised to see them win.

 

[Penguin]

It's my understanding that if two teams are equal on points that total wins trumps points for and against as to who is ahead of whom on the log. In which case the Reds are third overall. Can anyone confirm if this is correct?

 

[Slim 293]

It's my understanding that if two teams are equal on points that total wins trumps points for and against as to who is ahead of whom on the log. In which case the Reds are third overall. Can anyone confirm if this is correct?

That is correct...

The ladder now works on total wins > points differential...

This is the actual ladder:

1 Blues New Zealand Conference Leader 43
2 Stormers South African Conference Leader 42
3 Reds Australian Conference Leader 40
4 Crusaders Wildcard 40
5 H'landers Wildcard 35
6 Sharks Wildcard 34
7 Waratahs 32
8 Bulls 27
9 Hurricanes 23
10 Brumbies 22
11 Chiefs 21
12 Force 20
13 Cheetahs 20
14 Rebels 19
15 Lions 14

The Force are ahead of the Cheetahs because they have more wins, and despite the fact that the Reds would automatically be third because they're the Australian Conference winners they'd be ahead of the Crusaders anyways on more wins...

 

[Penguin]

Thats what I thought. Cheers Slim

 

[Scarfman]

I've got a question. I've read these pages:

http://www.superxv.com/format/
http://www.superxv.com/about/index.asp

And I can't figure out if the 3rd best conference winner is guaranteed 3rd spot, or just a spot in the 6. I reckon they are only guaranteed a place in the finals, and so in theory could come as low as 6th.

 

[darkhorse]

From: http://www.superxv.com/format/

A winner from each conference will be determined from the results. Each conference will have one winner and therefore Australia, South Africa and New Zealand will each be gauranteed to have one team participating in the finals. Where these teams finish will determine home advantage for the play offs.

In week 1 of the finals the two conference winners with the highest points will be rewarded with a week off. The conference winner with the lowest points or the third placed team will enter a sudden death play off with the sixth placed team.

From that information it would seem that the 3rd best conference winner is given 3rd spot automatically.

Seems a bit silly to me. I would prefer that the overall points tally determines the top 6 positions, with the top 2 having the week off and the other 4 award home ground advantage in the playoffs based on the ladder.

 

[Scarfman]

Isn't it saying: the conference winner with the lowest points OR the third placed team? I.e., they can be different?

 

[ACT Crusader]

Isn't it saying: the conference winner with the lowest points OR the third placed team? I.e., they can be different?

The 'Or' is used in the context of one and the same

 

[RugbyReg]

from what I have been told at work, the conference leaders each are guaranteed the top 3 spots. So the 3rd place team may have less points than the 4th (or 5th etc) placed team.

 

[qwerty51]

I've got a question. I've read these pages:

http://www.superxv.com/format/
http://www.superxv.com/about/index.asp

And I can't figure out if the 3rd best conference winner is guaranteed 3rd spot, or just a spot in the 6. I reckon they are only guaranteed a place in the finals, and so in theory could come as low as 6th.

3rd. 99.99% sure

 

[RedsHappy]

Isn't it saying: the conference winner with the lowest points OR the third placed team? I.e., they can be different?

There can be a points tie (now or at the end of all Rounds) for No 2 and No 3 ranking. No 3 is then decided upon via a cascade of 'if this, then that' criteria that starts of with (as I recall) if one (points tied) team has more actual wins than the other, the higher number of actual wins team will thus be ranked second in the event of tie between 2 and 3 on points. This scheme was used only recently when the Reds were tied on points with the Cru (or Blues, I forget, but the point is the same), but the Reds had the higher wins number and thus were ranked No 1 that week. I think the 'tie break' cascade criteria is all set forth on the Super 15 main site.