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The Kiss of Death

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Desmond Connor (43)
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Australian Rugby Union chief executive John O'Neill said that while the Wallabies' loss to Scotland was ''devastating'', their coach Robbie Deans still had the full support of the ARU board.
Although Deans is widely judged to be one of the world's best coaches, he has struggled to lift the Wallabies' standards, recording just 14 victories and a draw from 27 Tests since taking over last year, for a low success rate of 51.9 per cent.

The Wallabies have slipped badly this season, winning just two of their past 10 internationals and finishing bottom in the Tri Nations. They have lost the knack of scoring tries - just 58 have been scored under Deans - averaging two each game. On the northern hemisphere tour, they have scored six in four internationals for a win against England, a draw with Ireland and losses to New Zealand and now Scotland.

Deans, who is contracted to the ARU until after the 2011 World Cup, admitted there would be a backlash after the loss to Scotland for the first time since 1982.

O'Neill, who travelled with the Wallabies before returning to Sydney last week, said that while he was devastated by the loss, he stressed that Deans was under no threat of losing his job. ''We have every confidence in Robbie Deans being the right coach for us,'' O'Neill said yesterday. However, O'Neill added that after the northern hemisphere tour, leading ARU officials would meet Deans to conduct a review of the season to work out what improvements had to be made to ensure the Wallabies end their slide well before the next World Cup.

It would not be surprising if this review leeds to changes in the Wallabies' team management below Deans. The erratic performances of numerous leading Wallabies players on this tour will also be closely scrutinised and the careers of some might suddenly be under threat.

O'Neill said the review would be headed by the ARU's high-performance manager David Nucifora, who has been travelling with the team, and would involve Deans and ARU board members.

''The results are clearly disappointing and not acceptable,'' O'Neill said yesterday. ''We have two more games to go on the tour and rest assured we will be reviewing every aspect of this tour. David Nucifora, myself, Robbie Deans and the ARU board will have a good, hard look at what is going wrong.

''It will be an objective, balanced assessment of the pros and cons of this entire season. It will take in all of the Test matches starting from June and finish off with this tour.

''It is crucial that we are really confrontational with every aspect of 'Team Wallaby'.''

O'Neill said some of the outcomes might not be to the liking of the Wallabies' player and management group.

''Everyone has to front up - the player group, the management group and the ARU administration - because I'm not sure what more we can do in terms of providing any more support,'' O'Neill said.

''There is nothing we are skimping on. Still, how can a team in a course of a season go so close to beating the All Blacks, beat the Springboks in one game, beat the French, then lose to Scotland? We are devastated.''

The bolded bits would have Deans sweating a bit as no coach likes hearing the CEO going to the media stating that his job is safe and he has the board's full support. This is usually followed in quick succession with the axe.

I wonder if Smith and Gits had anything to do with Nuci's sacking in 2004 as it may come back to bite them on the arse big time as he is now in a position to exact a bit of revenge....
 

Thomond78

Colin Windon (37)
Kiss of Death?

Forget mere kissing, it's the dropping of a skeletal hand and a good rummage around by the Grim Reaper.

BTW, I'd like to point out; my predictions were correct. Jim Williams has turned your pack back into a right hard-nosed efficient unit. See? :thumb
 

Gagger

Nick Farr-Jones (63)
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Deans and O'Neill are strapped into this one together. One's unlikely to go without the other, but they could well go together.

Interesting about Nucifora's role. How does a guy who missed out on Deans' job review the Deans' progress without a shitfight ensuing?
 
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Geronimo

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Gagger said:
Interesting about Nucifora's role. How does a guy who missed out on Deans' job review the Deans' progress without a shitfight ensuing?

You would have to ask the question of Nuci's role in the signing of O'Connor on $600,000 a season also. These guys have to be held accountable. I am not saying that he will never be a test footballer but save that money until he is a complete matchwinner. At the moment he is just a club player at best. I think a number of our footballers are too comfortable and need wake-up calls and this is not done by picking guys from outside the squad that are no where near the desired level of skill or consistency to place any pressure on the incumbents
 
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Geronimo

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I agree, he has to stay for the immediate future, it can't always be the coaches fault. But in saying that, they need to sit down and have a look at the way they are going about it across the board
 
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Spook

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Thomond78 said:
Kiss of Death?

Forget mere kissing, it's the dropping of a skeletal hand and a good rummage around by the Grim Reaper.

BTW, I'd like to point out; my predictions were correct. Jim Williams has turned your pack back into a right hard-nosed efficient unit. See? :thumb

Actually his primary role is as lineout coach and we are shite in that area. Restarts as well. Give me Foley any day.
 
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The Jackal

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What Deans need to do is man up and drop the excess baggage.

Drop Gits to the bench and any other senior player not performing....
 

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Jimmy Flynn (14)
The Jackal said:
What Deans need to do is man up and drop the excess baggage.

Drop Gits to the bench and any other senior player not performing....

He doesn't need to go that far.
Put Giteau at 12. He plays his best football there. Forget this changing role shit. The players play where their number on their back says to play.
 

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Michael Lynagh (62)
I don't think they should get rid of Deans before 2011, unless a disaster occurs next year.
 

Ash

Michael Lynagh (62)
Pretty much. There needs to be some improvement, unless extenuating circumstances exist.
 

Scarfman

Knitter of the Scarf
Our backs have forgotten how to play football. They look like the Eddie-coached Reds of 2006 or whenever it was. Little lost boy looks on their faces.

I still reckon they have the talent. So maybe it is the coach's fault.
 

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Desmond Connor (43)
Scarfman said:
Our backs have forgotten how to play football. They look like the Eddie-coached Reds of 2006 or whenever it was. Little lost boy looks on their faces.

I still reckon they have the talent. So maybe it is the coach's fault.

Considering that Deans is the backs coach maybe you are correct. He is also our defense coach so maybe the three roles (head coach also) are too much for him. With the review hopefully this will be addressed and he will be reduced to the role of Attack / Defence coordinator (in other words Head Coach only) with a contests coach and an attacking skills coach to support him.
 

Groucho

Greg Davis (50)
Geronimo said:
Gagger said:
Interesting about Nucifora's role. How does a guy who missed out on Deans' job review the Deans' progress without a shitfight ensuing?

You would have to ask the question of Nuci's role in the signing of O'Connor on $600,000 a season also. These guys have to be held accountable. I am not saying that he will never be a test footballer but save that money until he is a complete matchwinner. At the moment he is just a club player at best. I think a number of our footballers are too comfortable and need wake-up calls and this is not done by picking guys from outside the squad that are no where near the desired level of skill or consistency to place any pressure on the incumbents

To describe JOC (James O'Connor) as a "club footballer at best" is ridiculous. He was the Force's best back last year and perhaps the form 12 of the competition.
 

disco

Chilla Wilson (44)
Deans has to be there in 2011 beyond that I doubt it, unless we win back the Bledisloe & win the RWC in the next two years.

Our biggest problem is our 1st phase set piece that comes down to our attack coach & flyhalf.

The lineout is suffering because Chiz & Horwill just aren't good enough both of these players need to be calling the lineouts at Super 14 level next year.

Put Giteau at 12. He plays his best football there. Forget this changing role shit. The players play where their number on their back says to play.

Exactly I hate all this coaching pussy footing around saying it's only a number, Giteau is happy to play 2nd receiver in general play but everytime we have a set piece he seems to get into 1st receiver & fuck it up.
 

Lindommer

Simon Poidevin (60)
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Scarfman said:
Our backs have forgotten how to play football. They look like the Eddie-coached Reds of 2006 or whenever it was. Little lost boy looks on their faces.

I still reckon they have the talent. So maybe it is the coach's fault.

First bit was right, Scarfy, second bit was (partly) wrong. The players aren't concentrating on executing basic skills, not putting in chasing kicks or busting their gut to back up a break; in other words they're bludging. Nothing to do with the coach. All he can do is clean the bastards out with a big broom and bring in a new lot. Whom? Even I don't know.
 

naza

Alan Cameron (40)
This is all code for 'he's boned but I have to do it in such a way that people forget Robbie was my choice all the way'.

JON should go first. Then Deans. Then Giteau.
 

RugbyReg

Rocky Elsom (76)
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disco said:
The lineout is suffering because Chiz & Horwill just aren't good enough both of these players need to be calling the lineouts at Super 14 level next year.

well looking at history and back to the 91 team. Eales only Wallaby debuted that year and McAll only the year before (or the end of 89).

For 99, Giffin played a couple of tests late in 96 when all our locks broke, but didn't really get established and play for the Wallabies again until the year of 99.

There's still time for the likes of Simmons, Mumm, Caldwell etc ... I hope.
 
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