The Israel Folau saga

[Dan54]

Love Stephen Fry.





Should they be able to stop a player bringing Rugby into disrepute? Absolutely. But a controversial religious post by a player doesn't bring rugby into disrepute, it brings the player into disrepute. All RA has to do is repudiate the view in strong terms - which it has.

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You make some good points Ath, but in this one I think you are wrong, if the posts brings the player into disrepute, I think it also brings the organisation he represents into disrepute.
Otherwise players that are continually seen to be drunk etc in public would be able to say they are only hurting themselves and the game would have no comeback.

 

[Sully]

This is going nowhere. Thread will reopen around May 4.

 

[The Honey Badger]

Meanwhile, as we wait for the Izzy thread to reopen.

RA are making themselves lots of enemies over this issue.

A partition with more signatures than would attend a Waratahs game supporting Izzy.

https://www.change.org/p/rugby-unio...ndit_var=v0&utm_content=fht-14886567-en-au:v5

 

[KOB1987]

Yes. And the stance of the PI playing community is worrying, considering their representation in the current Wallabies outfit, and our supe teams. The response I have seen at community playing level is worrying also.

 

[Ignoto]

Ah yes, Nothing quite like couch based activism!

 

[KOB1987]

quite ironic really, hey

 

[KOB1987]

Well, on the eve of the 'hearing', and with nowhere else to post this, here is a really well balanced article written by Nick Turnbull, and also offers some good 'intel' from the Polynesian rugby community.

https://www.rugbypass.com/news/rugb...ddm3IwGQ9IxNdZxlRaoBxuvA062Th0UV_xDA7s9VzYAdA

 

[Quick Hands]

Well, on the eve of the 'hearing', and with nowhere else to post this, here is a rally well balanced article written by Nick Turnbull, and also offers some good 'intel' from the Polynesian rugby community.

https://www.rugbypass.com/news/rugb...ddm3IwGQ9IxNdZxlRaoBxuvA062Th0UV_xDA7s9VzYAdA

I've had a very similar experiences with Pacific Islanders, both when I played with them and later as a coach. More often than not in fact, the more religious they were, the harder they were on the field.

 

[KOB1987]

Surely we can now unlock the Izzy thread.

Liddell’s faith-filled story was recalled by a participant in The Weekend Australian’s online poll that received a huge public response to the question: “Should Rugby Australia sack Israel Folau over his social media posts?”
The poll attracted 21,700 respondents, with 89 per cent saying Folau should not have his $4 million contract torn up

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/sp...u/news-story/8c7c8417a5b1cee15cccca500f458e83

 

[The Honey Badger]

Surely we can now unlock the Izzy thread.

Liddell’s faith-filled story was recalled by a participant in The Weekend Australian’s online poll that received a huge public response to the question: “Should Rugby Australia sack Israel Folau over his social media posts?”
The poll attracted 21,700 respondents, with 89 per cent saying Folau should not have his $4 million contract torn up

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/sp...u/news-story/8c7c8417a5b1cee15cccca500f458e83

He's a goner then.

RA and public opinion don't have a good track record.

 

[Slim 293]

An online poll in The Australian?

Geez, that settles that then.........

Nothing represents the general cross section of Australian society than people who respond to online polls in The Australian.........

Wait, wasn’t the Folau thread locked?

 

[Sully]

And here we are. How nice has it been the last 8 days!

 

[KOB1987]

An online poll in The Australian?

Geez, that settles that then...

Nothing represents the general cross section of Australian society than people who respond to online polls in The Australian...

Wait, wasn’t the Folau thread locked?

I'd be happy for Fairfax to do one with as many respondents and compare the results. But they haven't, hey

 

[liquor box]

My guess is he "quits" without apology and receives an undisclosed sum of money

 

[KOB1987]

Anyways, it's all irrelevant now. It's judgement day.

 

[KOB1987]

My guess is he "quits" without apology and receives an undisclosed sum of money

My guess is a similar outcome to the Beale hearing. RA are made to look like fools, he gets a big fine and maybe another few weeks, and then plays on.

 

[sidelineview]

Well, on the eve of the 'hearing', and with nowhere else to post this, here is a really well balanced article written by Nick Turnbull, and also offers some good 'intel' from the Polynesian rugby community.

https://www.rugbypass.com/news/rugb...ddm3IwGQ9IxNdZxlRaoBxuvA062Th0UV_xDA7s9VzYAdA

Excellent article.
This is definitely a social and moral minefield.
It could also be a legal minefield depending on what's in his contract.

 

[sidelineview]

Another interesting article by Barnard Gaynor:

http://bernardgaynor.com.au/…/izzy-folaus-uneven-battlegro…/

 

[Merrow]

My guess is a similar outcome to the Beale hearing. RA are made to look like fools, he gets a big fine and maybe another few weeks, and then plays on.

Except that his own Waratahs team mates have been vocal that they don’t want him in the team.

 

[sidelineview]

Except that his own Waratahs team mates have been vocal that they don’t want him in the team.

Those team mates are employees of RA who have to abide by their terms of contract.
I'd say refusing to play with a particular team mate is not within their rights.