The Israel Folau saga

[Quick Hands]

I am actually probably feeling somewhat despondent with Israel Folau gone - of course he had to go - but oz rugby has very few genuine attacking superstars that gets you excited to watch a game they are playing in anticipation of what they could do on the rugby pitch.

On that front, given so few, this has left a massive and even wider gap that RA will struggle to fill and get fans on board.

Like I said no winners here.

It's not beyond the realms of possibility that Israel will end up playing for Tonga at RWC (and/or Tonga in RL), so we may yet see him in action.

 

[waiopehu oldboy]

For those wondering where his head's at:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12221615

I'm aware of the theory that Christians co-opted a pagan festival & made it into Christmas, but isn't Easter the very foundation of their faith?

 

[dru]

For those wondering where his head's at:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12221615

I'm aware of the theory that Christians co-opted a pagan festival & made it into Christmas, but isn't Easter the very foundation of their faith?

I mentioned this earlier but it is simply the view of his church. Other than the fact that he is a member of one of the smaller Christian beliefs it says nothing about his head.

These discussions at this point are unassailably venturing into religious intolerance.

 

[Wilson]

It's not beyond the realms of possibility that Israel will end up playing for Tonga at RWC (and/or Tonga in RL), so we may yet see him in action.

Pretty sure there's a stand down period involved in changing representative countries that would rule folau out of swapping to Tonga in time for the RWC.

 

[KOB1987]

Pretty sure there's a stand down period involved in changing representative countries that would rule folau out of swapping to Tonga in time for the RWC.

as far as I know it's forever

8.2 A Player who has played for the senior fifteen-a-side National Representative Team or the next senior fifteen-a-side National Representative Team or the senior National Representative Sevens Team of a Union is not eligible to play for the senior fifteen-a-side National Representative Team or the next senior fifteen-a-side National Representative Team or the senior National Representative Sevens Team of another Union.

 

[Strewthcobber]

For those wondering where his head's at:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12221615

I'm aware of the theory that Christians co-opted a pagan festival & made it into Christmas, but isn't Easter the very foundation of their faith?

These are relatively mainstream Protestant views since Luther got his hammer and nails out. Neither Christmas or Easter are mentioned in the bible

I said it earlier in jest but if you don't know much about the reformation, have a wiki read - so much of history flows from that period of time 500 years ago.

 

[Strewthcobber]

It's not beyond the realms of possibility that Israel will end up playing for Tonga at RWC (and/or Tonga in RL), so we may yet see him in action.

Can't ever play for Tonga in XVs, three year stand down to represent Tonga in Olympic 7s only, so wouldn't be until Paris 2024 (and of course Tonga is unlikely to make it)

 

[fatprop]

But they can chosse to reassess their business relationships with them - assuming that they are acting on a moral basis.

QANTAS chose some years ago to sever former code share agreements with British Airways, Air France, Alitalia, Cathay Pacific and replace them with an arrangement with Emirates.

You can't have your moral cake and eat it too.

They can because most people don't look closely at the underlying morality of a business

Qantas is clearly trying to buy some level clean moral position by sponsoring the Wobs (it is what it is for). They don't want anyone looking at their businesses practices while they attempt to take the moral high ground superfluously

In essence they are union busting business who is quite happy to do deal with morally repugnant regimes

 

[gel]

For those wondering where his head's at:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12221615

I'm aware of the theory that Christians co-opted a pagan festival & made it into Christmas, but isn't Easter the very foundation of their faith?

Easter was also a pagan festival (spring/seeding/fertility/whatever).

It's easier to coerce local cultures over to your new religion if you can tell them that they can keep celebrating their festivals at the same time, just call it a new name and repurpose it to fit the new religion.

 

[wamberal]

I reckon there is a fair chance that Izzy is a member of what amounts to a sect. If he is, his actions are being controlled to some extent, possibly quite a large extent.


The possibility of this sort of sinister influence might explain his erratic behaviour. If he is in a sect, he needs help, certainly not condemnation.


Once upon a time sporting teams often had a chaplain. Somebody like Father Rod Bower should be called in to sort this out.

 

[Adam84]

Are we still taking QANTAS? let’s be clear, it was RA that has/will sack him based on the grounds of an inclusiveness policy aimed at stamping out discrimination and homophobia within the game. If you’re looking for someone to blame for this whole situation, then look no further the the person who made the post.

 

[fatprop]

These are relatively mainstream Protestant views since Luther got his hammer and nails out. Neither Christmas or Easter are mentioned in the bible

I said it earlier in jest but if you don't know much about the reformation, have a wiki read - so much of history flows from that period of time 500 years ago.

I think Jehovah Witnesses have the same beliefs, as do most Jews, Muslims & Buddhists

 

[Flavio]

I hope Izzy's parents dont read the bible

• If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them: Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place; And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard. And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die. Deuteronomy 21:18-21

 

[Derpus]

These are relatively mainstream Protestant views since Luther got his hammer and nails out. Neither Christmas or Easter are mentioned in the bible

I said it earlier in jest but if you don't know much about the reformation, have a wiki read - so much of history flows from that period of time 500 years ago.

Learning about the schism, Henry VIII etc always made me super skeptical as a kid. S'like, here you have this unwavering faith in a whole bunch of different rules dictated by the metaphysical. And how did these beliefs come to be what they are? Oh he some fat dude wanted a divorce.

I always thought the whole god squad thing would be way more convincing if the rules purport to have existed since forever and couldn't be directly attributed to human preference.

 

[Flavio]

I wonder what he thinks of this ?

”You shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor tattoo any marks on you: I am the Lord.” Leviticus 19:28

 

[Derpus]

I wonder what he thinks of this ?

”You shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor tattoo any marks on you: I am the Lord.” Leviticus 19:28

Pretty sure he regrets his tats.

 

[Tex]

Reckon we're straying pretty deep into the weeds here chaps. Once we start debating the reformation and freedom of speech you know it's almost time to turn on the lights and call last drinks.

 

[young gun]

Pretty sure there's a stand down period involved in changing representative countries that would rule folau out of swapping to Tonga in time for the RWC.

that's right - the "stand down" period is forever. represent one Country then that's it.

 

[sidelineview]

I reckon there is a fair chance that Izzy is a member of what amounts to a sect. If he is, his actions are being controlled to some extent, possibly quite a large extent.


The possibility of this sort of sinister influence might explain his erratic behaviour. If he is in a sect, he needs help, certainly not condemnation.


Once upon a time sporting teams often had a chaplain. Somebody like Father Rod Bower should be called in to sort this out.

This was mentioned last time.
He's not a member of a sect; he's a member of a particular Christian family.
There is much debate between the different Christian denominations about the finer points of the faith.

And again, he didnt express hatred for any group of individuals. Like it or not, he aired his religious views.

Misguided, inappropriate or wrongly worded perhaps but not hate speech.

Qantas is one of the leaders in political correctness stupidity, and that makes the situation worse.

It's highly unlikely he will back down from expressing his religious views.

 

[Derpus]

Reckon we're straying pretty deep into the weeds here chaps. Once we start debating the reformation and freedom of speech you know it's almost time to turn on the lights and call last drinks.

I suspect Reg is letting this one run so it doesn't fuck up the rest of the forum.