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The Hickey Must go thread

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waratahjesus

Greg Davis (50)
Gagger said:
On one hand the mighty Tahs have made the semi's, so the 'runs are on the board' so to speak.

However, I'm with Langthorne on this one. The Tahs recruitment and backline selection has been a fucking mystery. Just like last year, they seemed to try every fuckwitted combination first, before getting to what was a logical set up. And what do you know, again the Tahs start to click at the end of the season. Anesi vs Beale - I rest my case

Compare that to Links Reds where he knew exactly the combinations, skills and game plans he wanted before game 1. The team executes and they come out of the blocks hard. I'd suggest chronic lack of depth and injuries (hardly Links fault) were the only thing that stopped them hitting the semis.

there was an article by frier today were he mentioned beales "training and fitness issues" so i assume there was more to it for a while. Ive maintained from day one that i dont understand marque players at all, why we payed a winger to come over from NZ when there a dime a dozen is beyond me.

Links combinations that he knew and that worked so well lost that first game if im not mistaken to hickeys fuckwitted combinations. the tahs back three scored more trys than them, the waratahs scored more points as a team and also defended better for the season, i would say the waratahs season has been better than the reds in pretty much all areas. but then again, i would be called patriotic and i cant have that, so let the mutual reds circle jerk continue, if they back it up next year then go on and on, but the way they play isnt for consistency.
 

Gagger

Nick Farr-Jones (63)
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Fucking hell WJ, the Tahs got outplayed behind the pack in that game and it was a classic Waugh/Palu rescue that pulled it out of the fire on the donger. Far from a masterful backline display

It does end with 'otic'
 

waratahjesus

Greg Davis (50)
Gagger said:
Fucking hell WJ, the Tahs got outplayed behind the pack in that game and it was a classic Waugh/Palu rescue that pulled it out of the fire on the donger. Far from a masterful backline display

It does end with 'otic'

yep, the tahs didnt turn up to play at all, but then with ten to go and a player in the bin they managed to win a game that "the greatest ever side in australian rugby history" had failed to put away. dont forget to mention that the tahs butchered two trys that would have seen the reds dusted by half time or the fact they ran themselves ragged without much reward.

put pressure on qld and they will fold, they played exciting rugby that resulted in less trys and a loss that cost them the semis, the only thing that makes there season justifiable in any sense is because they have been shit for so long, but it was a new coach and a new team this year that started on equal footing, so therefore they wernt good enough.

the "classic waugh/palu rescue", well, another way to look at it was, a classic Qld roll over and die witht he game in the bag, but i spose it depends on whos tit your feeding at.
 

RugbyReg

Rocky Elsom (76)
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waratahjesus said:
yep, the tahs didnt turn up to play at all, but then with ten to go and a player in the bin they managed to win a game that "the greatest ever side in australian rugby history" had failed to put away. dont forget to mention that the tahs butchered two trys that would have seen the reds dusted by half time or the fact they ran themselves ragged without much reward.

who you quoting there wj?
 

waratahjesus

Greg Davis (50)
Noddy said:
waratahjesus said:
yep, the tahs didnt turn up to play at all, but then with ten to go and a player in the bin they managed to win a game that "the greatest ever side in australian rugby history" had failed to put away. dont forget to mention that the tahs butchered two trys that would have seen the reds dusted by half time or the fact they ran themselves ragged without much reward.

who you quoting there wj?

the reds fan who was sitting next to me in brissy with 10 to go noddy!
the hype machine was in full force, they had a good season and i give them credit for that, i said they would they minute they signed ewen who i never wanted to see the tahs axe, but to give the new recruits and coach such glowing reviews takes away fromt he negatives of not being able to close out or toughen up when the passes stopped sticking. It was a good style of play and it suited the reds but if you tried that aginst the south africans in the 3N your going to start having problems.
 

RugbyReg

Rocky Elsom (76)
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waratahjesus said:
Noddy said:
waratahjesus said:
yep, the tahs didnt turn up to play at all, but then with ten to go and a player in the bin they managed to win a game that "the greatest ever side in australian rugby history" had failed to put away. dont forget to mention that the tahs butchered two trys that would have seen the reds dusted by half time or the fact they ran themselves ragged without much reward.

who you quoting there wj?

the reds fan who was sitting next to me in brissy with 10 to go noddy!
the hype machine was in full force, they had a good season and i give them credit for that, i said they would they minute they signed ewen who i never wanted to see the tahs axe, but to give the new recruits and coach such glowing reviews takes away fromt he negatives of not being able to close out or toughen up when the passes stopped sticking. It was a good style of play and it suited the reds but if you tried that aginst the south africans in the 3N your going to start having problems.

oh right, we're playing that game now? The 'imagination game'. love it. Like your lunch with Hicky. just make shit up to suit your purposes. Nice.
 
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Geronimo

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waratahjesus said:
Links combinations that he knew and that worked so well lost that first game if im not mistaken to hickeys fuckwitted combinations. the tahs back three scored more trys than them, the waratahs scored more points as a team and also defended better for the season, i would say the waratahs season has been better than the reds in pretty much all areas. but then again, i would be called patriotic and i cant have that, so let the mutual reds circle jerk continue, if they back it up next year then go on and on, but the way they play isnt for consistency.

As the others have said "Patriotic" is not the word. You would say the waratahs season has been better than the reds in pretty much all areas. What a load of shit!! How far up your arse is that flag. The Reds have come along very well in most areas, the improvement alone is so much above what the Tahs have done with their roster. Congrats to the Tahs for making the finals and I will now support them but get a grip on another part of your body
 

waratahjesus

Greg Davis (50)
Geronimo said:
waratahjesus said:
Links combinations that he knew and that worked so well lost that first game if im not mistaken to hickeys fuckwitted combinations. the tahs back three scored more trys than them, the waratahs scored more points as a team and also defended better for the season, i would say the waratahs season has been better than the reds in pretty much all areas. but then again, i would be called patriotic and i cant have that, so let the mutual reds circle jerk continue, if they back it up next year then go on and on, but the way they play isnt for consistency.

As the others have said "Patriotic" is not the word. You would say the waratahs season has been better than the reds in pretty much all areas. What a load of shit!! How far up your arse is that flag. The Reds have come along very well in most areas, the improvement alone is so much above what the Tahs have done with their roster. Congrats to the Tahs for making the finals and I will now support them but get a grip on another part of your body

so the area the reds outdid the tahs was "improvement" and all other areas the tahs were better, sorry, i should have been more accurate. thought for a moment the teams were playing in the same competition.
 

waratahjesus

Greg Davis (50)
Noddy said:
waratahjesus said:
Noddy said:
waratahjesus said:
yep, the tahs didnt turn up to play at all, but then with ten to go and a player in the bin they managed to win a game that "the greatest ever side in australian rugby history" had failed to put away. dont forget to mention that the tahs butchered two trys that would have seen the reds dusted by half time or the fact they ran themselves ragged without much reward.

who you quoting there wj?

the reds fan who was sitting next to me in brissy with 10 to go noddy!
the hype machine was in full force, they had a good season and i give them credit for that, i said they would they minute they signed ewen who i never wanted to see the tahs axe, but to give the new recruits and coach such glowing reviews takes away fromt he negatives of not being able to close out or toughen up when the passes stopped sticking. It was a good style of play and it suited the reds but if you tried that aginst the south africans in the 3N your going to start having problems.

oh right, we're playing that game now? The 'imagination game'. love it. Like your lunch with Hicky. just make shit up to suit your purposes. Nice.

be careful what you accuse people of there nodstar, cos your actually wrong.

i apologise to you and your family of perfect queenslanders who won every game they played and were never outsmarted or outplayed. they were a bunch of rag tag kids many of whome had never seen a rugby ball before this year and the great qlder ewen mckensie rolled in on his noble steed and turned them all around, i suspect Disney are on the phone right now doing there best to put this story on the silver screen along side the jamacan bobsled team. reds fans need to get a grip.

NSW didnt have the perfect season, i would have thought getting a home semi would have been the plan but they shot themselves int he foot with there form against the highlanders. but credit to the staff and players for adjusting there style and getting the job done when it counted. I didnt see the reds play a different style all year and in a couple of losses that bit them on the ass. (thats an opinion noddy, feel free to argue it with your opinion if you have one!)
 

RugbyReg

Rocky Elsom (76)
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waratahjesus said:
I didnt see the reds play a different style all year and in a couple of losses that bit them on the ass.

go back and watch games v Chiefs, Bulls and Stormers.
 

Moses

Simon Poidevin (60)
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The Waratahs' success in making the Super 14 finals has saved their coach Chris Hickey. If the Waratahs had lost to the Hurricanes on Friday night and missed out on the finals for the second year running, Hickey was under threat of going down the same road as his predecessor, Ewen McKenzie, and being replaced.

Despite the recent assertions from NSW Rugby Union officials that - no matter what - Hickey would be their coach next year, the Herald has been told by several sources that some within the Waratahs organisation had before the final round began to look at alternative candidates taking over his job next season.

It is understood that this was brought up at a meeting involving several NSW officials a few weeks ago, which Hickey did not attend. Numerous personalities have become close allies in ensuring that if there is a changing of the guard, they would take over key positions, which may even include important administrative roles.

However, Hickey's success in extending the Waratahs' season for at least one more week means he has earned a reprieve.

At the moment Hickey again has the ''complete support'' of those in charge - which is not surprising considering that he succeeded in ensuring his team finished ahead of the three other Australian provinces after it produced its best effort of the season on Friday night to make the finals.

Yet in the background over the past few weeks, there has been some interesting manoeuvring.

Apart from assistant coach Michael Foley, understood to have the support of some NSW powerbrokers to one day take over the head coaching spot, the Herald also recently revealed that Bulls skipper and renowned Springboks second-rower Victor Matfield was approached by Waratahs officials to see if he was interested in being part of the coaching panel - most probably as an assistant.

Matfield's involvement at the Waratahs is still high on the agenda. Former Springboks coach Jake White was also mentioned as a possible Waratahs director of coaching, but that idea has cooled somewhat. Another local coach who would be feeling extremely jittery is Brumbies coach Andy Friend, who failed to get the team tagged ''the Real Madrid of Australian rugby'' into the finals. The Brumbies were a team beset with internal problems for most of the season, which included several serious personnel clashes, and how they have continually missed out on the finals, despite an abundance of talent, has become an appreciable concern.

However, the word out of Canberra is that Friend is expected to survive, but several of those around him will disappear. Nonetheless, finishing sixth marks their season as a major disappointment.

As embarrassing is that, since they won the title in 2004, the Brumbies have not been sighted in the finals. This bare fact stresses the point that it is time to get rid of some of the dead weeds down there, and revitalise the culture.

At the Reds, McKenzie is safe, and understandably so, considering that he transformed a troubled Queensland into the great entertainers of the tournament, which had the desired effect of doubling the team's home crowds in Brisbane.

At the Western Force, there is uncertainty over whether John Mitchell will be at the helm next season - even if his contract does not expire until the end of 2011.

Each week, Mitchell has been connected to another Super 14 province, including the Sharks, Chiefs and now the Lions. Even White's name has been tossed around as a possible successor in Perth.

Back at the Waratahs, if Hickey can lead them to their first title, don't be surprised if chest-beating NSWRU officials say that he ''can have the job for life''. But Hickey is wise enough to know to take everything at face value, and been around long enough to regularly produce a David Campese-like goosestep to keep everyone at bay.
http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-union/union-news/waratahs-save-hickey-from-the-axe-20100516-v6gg.html
 

DPK

Peter Sullivan (51)
matty_k said:
Copy cat.

So do people prefer the text or just a link to the article.

Depends how long the article is. More than .one hundred and fifty words is link worthy, I think.
 

the gambler

Dave Cowper (27)
Good battle there Noddy and WJ.

I think people may be a bit quick in dismissing WJ as a parochial fan. While I dont agree with some of the things he says, at least most of them contain some thought which is more than can be said for some posters on this site (which I note Noddy tried to knock on it's head).

The Tahs met my expectations this year.

They won all home games as I hoped they would,
lost the 2 in South Africa as I expected they would
1 against the Crusaders as I thought they would
1 against the Highlanders - Hoped they would win both this and Force but would have taken even money for them to lose one of the two.

The Reds exceeded my expectations but not by much. I knew they would be better than previous years but didnt expect them to come within 2mins of beating the top 4 teams in the comp. They and their fans should be proud of their achievement, but they should note their failings and be ready to come back bigger and better next year. (edit - most of this has been sead in the other thread)
 

Hawko

Tony Shaw (54)
On Rugby Heaven I note Hickey has been quoted by Rupert Guinness saying that next year he would have a rotation policy to ensure players did not get physically worn down. This is the height of hypocrisy from a coach who

Worked on the principle that the most important game of the season was the next one, so he always picked his top selection, even against the Lions
Never used his bench unless he was forced to.
Over-used his front rowers till they broke and then brought them back early so they could break down again.
Persisted with his favourites weeks after it was clear they were dragging the team back.
Picked Alcock for one game where he had a blinder and never used him again.
Did not try another winger all season, just hoped no one got injured.

Its incomprehensible.
 

naza

Alan Cameron (40)
Hawko said:
On Rugby Heaven I note Hickey has been quoted by Rupert Guinness saying that next year he would have a rotation policy to ensure players did not get physically worn down. This is the height of hypocrisy from a coach who

So you complain that they don't rotate players, then when Hickey announces his intent to rotate players, you complain again ? Que ? That makes no sense.

I like the idea. Build depth to cover for injuries. Keep players fresh so you can maintain a high level of physicality and intensity.
 

Aussie D

Desmond Connor (43)
naza said:
Hawko said:
On Rugby Heaven I note Hickey has been quoted by Rupert Guinness saying that next year he would have a rotation policy to ensure players did not get physically worn down. This is the height of hypocrisy from a coach who

So you complain that they don't rotate players, then when Hickey announces his intent to rotate players, you complain again ? Que ? That makes no sense.

I like the idea. Build depth to cover for injuries. Keep players fresh so you can maintain a high level of physicality and intensity.

Have to say I agree with Naza. Plus if he goes through with it then it will show he is willing to learn from his mistakes.
 
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