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The fire Andy Friend thread

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Spook

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Andy Friend was happy with that performance yesterday :nta:. Fuck me, how can anyone but happy about a side that can't score tries and exploit opportunities? Yes, Walsh fucked up yesterday but the skill-level all season has been woeful and the Brumbies have been hopeless in terms of scoring all season.
 
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It comes down to the player's execution, the coach can't control that. I think Friend does tend to rely on the fact that Giteau is going to be back to his best form, so that will provide the real difference. However it is/has not been the case this year. The Brumbies can only blame themselves, they most certainly have the team to win it on paper, but it just seems that their performance is bland, and heavily reliant on certain players, and not just the coach the young players in the team are too, it certainly doesn't help when those players are not performing.
 

cyclopath

George Smith (75)
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It's a real problem with some Aussie coaches - the inability to admit when it aint working, and what they can do to move ahead and improve it. At least link usually seems unhappy, even when they win well, showing he expects highly. Friend has the Hickeys in spades, and probably is not helped by a dose of the Brumby siege mentality - put up the shutters and defend, defend, defend when anyone dares criticise them (OK, a bit of hyperbole there, but we see it from ex players such as Jeremy Paul, and to a lesser extent Kafer at times).
The Brumbies, much as the Tahs do, have a good set of forwards, with a few under-performing members, but a real problem in the backs with a 10 than cannot get anything happening. Giteau has lost any sense of how to play 10, and just reverts to kicking it when he has no idea. If he kicked masterfully it might work. But he doesn't. Like Barnes, it is always safety first - bung it down the middle and takes your chances on the up and under that comes back, or the chance to snuff a counter-attack and get field position. I think John Connolly liked this approach too. ;)
We have railed against these 2 players at length, but a lot of this style and game plan MUST come from the coaches.
It's not about "spinning it wide " (just to pre-empt Naza foaming at the mouth), but having some variety, and taking some chances. Not headless chook Chiefs stuff, but have a bit of a go. The Brumbies and Tahs are too afraid to have a go anymore.
 
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Spook

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My problem is with the naïve tactics on display and the lack of back line guile. Coach has to take responsibility for a lot of that.
 
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Richard D. James

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Nice thread, great minds and all that. :thumb

The Brumbies have looked poorly coached all year. Poor skills, poor tactics, no heart. Compare them to the Reds or Stormers and the difference is huge. Those teams look well coached.

Friend has made some poor choices as coach like his choice of captain, the fact there's no backs coach.

I also wonder about the effect Gits has on the team. Everywhere he goes you hear about "player unrest" and we're starting to hear that from the Brumbies camp.

I think the Brumbies need to stop hiring ex-players, locals, etc. unless they are absolutely the right person for the job.
 
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Spook

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cyclopath said:
It's a real problem with some Aussie coaches - the inability to admit when it aint working, and what they can do to move ahead and improve it. At least link usually seems unhappy, even when they win well, showing he expects highly. Friend has the Hickeys in spades, and probably is not helped by a dose of the Brumby siege mentality - put up the shutters and defend, defend, defend when anyone dares criticise them (OK, a bit of hyperbole there, but we see it from ex players such as Jeremy Paul, and to a lesser extent Kafer at times).

All valid points. I really don't like this idea of accepting mediocrity. Happy with that performance? Dear god :'(.

Kafer's not to bad (certainly Kearns is a bit more provincial), JP is just a bit thick.
 
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Richard D. James said:
I think the Brumbies need to stop hiring ex-players, locals, etc. unless they are absolutely the right person for the job.

Yep, this started post-2004. Mind you, Biffo kept telling us Friend was the right man for the job. ;)

I doubted Friend ever since he appointed Hoiles as captain.
 

RugbyFuture

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I think that australian rugby supporters are a bit unstable, perhaps the brumbies can fire him, the waratahs fire chris hickey, then they both get eachothers jobs and turn out like ewan mckenzie?
 
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Spook

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RugbyFuture said:
I think that australian rugby supporters are a bit unstable, perhaps the brumbies can fire him, the waratahs fire chris hickey, then they both get eachothers jobs and turn out like ewan mckenzie?

McKensie also coached the Brumbies :lmao:.
 

Biffo

Ken Catchpole (46)
Terrific. Fire Friend and replace him with just which totally unqualified former Bumbles player?
 

RugbyFuture

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Spook said:
RugbyFuture said:
I think that australian rugby supporters are a bit unstable, perhaps the brumbies can fire him, the waratahs fire chris hickey, then they both get eachothers jobs and turn out like ewan mckenzie?

McKensie also coached the Brumbies :lmao:.

right, so brumbies hire mckenzie again then, friend goes to the tahs for a year and hickey goes upto the reds, then the year after we rotate them one more time and we should have them all playing like the reds....
 

Nusadan

Chilla Wilson (44)
Spook said:
RugbyFuture said:
I think that australian rugby supporters are a bit unstable, perhaps the brumbies can fire him, the waratahs fire chris hickey, then they both get eachothers jobs and turn out like ewan mckenzie?

McKensie also coached the Brumbies :lmao:.

McQueen also coached the Brumibies...
 
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PhucNgo

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Poor timing again by the Brumbies. They've left it a bit late to play the Nucifora card. If they were going to fire him it should have been last week, then maybe they would have had a different result from the Tahs match.

A few people have mentioned McKenzie in this thread which ironically is apt. (btw McKenzie was only ever an assistant coach at the Brums - I think) I think we all recall his comments regarding the Reds being a team capable of being coached.

Seems more than applicable in this case. Too many egos and not enough ears.

(bbtw: We've already had a taste of Friend in Tahland, and not keen to repeat the experience.)
 

Moses

Simon Poidevin (60)
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Biffo said:
Terrific. Fire Friend and replace him with just which totally unqualified former Bumbles player?
Rod Kafer, he can get out his chalkboard at training
 

JJJ

Vay Wilson (31)
The problem seems to be concentrated in the backline for the brumbies. Maybe they should get Phil Mooney in? Look at the potent state he left the Reds' backline in for McKenzie to pick up. ;)
 

cyclopath

George Smith (75)
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Really all they need is Jeremy Paul to sort out the :sharpe: s, Kafer to come up with strategy and keep Friend as a tight 5 consultant. Keeps it all in da family, they can alternate their tinfoil hats with their RUPA hats be comfortable in the belief that the rest of the world is out to get them.
 
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Spook

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Biffo said:
Terrific. Fire Friend and replace him with just which totally unqualified former Bumbles player?

How many former players have been head-coach of the Brumbies? You are being disingenuous yet again aren't you? ::)
 
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