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The Changing Role of the Hooker

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en_force_er

Geoff Shaw (53)
What Hartman said, as long as he does his primary job as a prop first he can run the ball as much as he please.

Sounds like with some conditioning your son will be a formidable rugger player, my bro is 16 yo prop and he would probably still be shy of 100.
 

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Sydney Middleton (9)
What Hartman said, as long as he does his primary job as a prop first he can run the ball as much as he please.

Sounds like with some conditioning your son will be a formidable rugger player, my bro is 16 yo prop and he would probably still be shy of 100.
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Bruce Ross

Ken Catchpole (46)
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Sound like my son. Tighhead prop and can play loose as well.

He is aiming to try hooker but he is 114kg - is it too heavy to be a hooker? He play a few games as hooker but can't throw but now he is practising his throwing.

Being told that hooker is an extra loose forward. What is the bench mark skills for a hooker?

I've got a different take on this to others who have commented - but that's been the story of my life.

We're told that the lad is a tight-head who can play loose-head and is aiming to try out as a hooker. He is 114kg at age 16.

My strong advice is that at this stage he should not even think about specialising but rather take whatever opportunities there are to play any of the three positions. The very best way to learn the technical side of scrummaging would be to gain an understanding of the role and challenges of each position. Also, position versatility can often get you onto the bench if you can't make the run-on team.

I would encourage him to keep a notebook where he records anything he has learnt in a particular game, particularly the tactics of anyone who has got on top of him. Encourage him to read about scrummaging.There is quite a lot of material available on the internet if he searches.

If he turns out to be particularly adept at the throw then hooker is probably his go as a senior player. But you also have to take into account temperament. If he has a tendency to tighten up on the pressure throws then it might be safer to switch to propping.

Smaller hookers have to justify their selection by being very active around the park, but for a bigger man it's best to concentrate on the grunt work and in particular delivering force in the scrum. You tend not to be noticed from the sideline but your fellow forwards and thus the scrum coach are well aware who is really putting in. As an example I recall a Wallaby frontrower telling me that Brendan Cannon was a particularly powerful and effective scrummager.

Given his size I wouldn't even think of trying to develop him into a hooker who plays like a loose forward. He was put on this earth to be a tight forward and we should not meddle too much in the natural order of things. It's not as if this country has a superfluity of players who are both adept at and satisfied with toiling away in hand-to-hand combat. One piece of advice I would give you, supporter, is that the first time you see your boy loitering among the outside backs, you should clip him soundly about the head and ears - metaphorically of course, not literally in this enlightened age.

My blood pressure rises when I see front rowers having a blow at outside centre. One thing I learnt early in my playing career was that if you were unfit the best place to hide was in the middle of the pack.

If he is keen to succeed he should be training for strength and explosiveness. He should also watch his diet. Bodyweight doesn't matter but he needs to keep the skinfolds under control
 

Blue

Andrew Slack (58)
It's not just hookers who are changing it up, can anyone remember a Loosehead Prop / Scrumhalf before Benn Robinson came along?

No and that is part of the Wallabies tight five problem. He needs to get there earlier.
 

en_force_er

Geoff Shaw (53)
Bruce raises a good point about not pigeonholing himself into a role. I agree with him but I still think physically he sounds like a prop.
 

RugbyFuture

Lord Logo
I don't think hooker is a good idea if you're a prop, because you have a greater chance of being pidgeonholed if you do become a hooker, i played prop at tighthead against the feed and loosehead with the feed. thats how i kept up practice for both positions, i was probs around 110 at that age (though not fit at all). get him to learn to become a forwards leader, and understand every point of the forward pack and he can pick any position he wants, as he'd become captain of the forwards basically.
 

en_force_er

Geoff Shaw (53)
I don't think hooker is a good idea if you're a prop, because you have a greater chance of being pidgeonholed if you do become a hooker, i played prop at tighthead against the feed and loosehead with the feed. thats how i kept up practice for both positions, i was probs around 110 at that age (though not fit at all). get him to learn to become a forwards leader, and understand every point of the forward pack and he can pick any position he wants, as he'd become captain of the forwards basically.

Haha, that would have been awful for the other bloke.
 

Bruce Ross

Ken Catchpole (46)
i played prop at tighthead against the feed and loosehead with the feed.

When I read that, RF, I thought you must have been an old time prop but then I see from your profile that you are only 19.

Going back a few decades the dynamics of the scrum were very different. Both hookers used to strike, with the hooker on the feeding side having the advantage of being closer to the ball and also usually being signalled as to when the ball was being put in.

After the strike the ball would often be loose in the tunnel and the props were expected to sweep with their outside foot in a secondary hooking motion. I always played loosehead and could usually get one or two balls back in a match. It tended to make you very popular with your hooker. You also needed to wear heavy duty shin guards.

In those days there was some logic in having a good prop changing sides depending on the feed, but I would be interested to learn why anyone would do it in present day scrums.
 

RugbyFuture

Lord Logo
i was the heaviest in the pack and kicked at their shins, always made sure the ball got behind me basically, even when tthe opposition fed, then if need be, we rotated the scrum.

so basically its coz i could piss them off the most, though it was only CAS comp 4ths.

much like how sometimes in the lineout in the later years if it was their throw i would go back to 4th man and rather than jump charge at their halfback. worked against barker...
 

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Chilla Wilson (44)
Tatafu Polota-Nau. Now watch the Bledisloe in Chch and tell me that his role wouldnt have been important in that game.
 
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