Sydney Subbies 2024

[Ref_Ted]

Nice initiative, now just need some clubs outside the north east of Sydney.

 

[Pfitzy]

Nice initiative, now just need some clubs outside the north east of Sydney.

And clubs of suitable size and intent to have Colts at that. Here's the map of Subbies clubs - all Divisions:

Here's a map of the Top 3 Divisions, all of whom have/should have Colts - you start to see where the league heartlands are pretty quickly, and where most of the U21 cohort is difficult to capture.

 

[Members Section]

Whats the go with Penrith this year?

 

[Prodigy]

Whats the go with Penrith this year?

According to the operations manual, when the Union receives a request for affiliation from a new club (I.e. Penrith or Hornsby), all clubs are notified and are invited to make submissions re admission.
I don’t think clubs have seen anything about either yet

 

[Ref_Ted]

And clubs of suitable size and intent to have Colts at that. Here's the map of Subbies clubs - all Divisions:

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Here's a map of the Top 3 Divisions, all of whom have/should have Colts - you start to see where the league heartlands are pretty quickly, and where most of the U21 cohort is difficult to capture.

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Rockdale is apparently gone for 24 with the remnant going back to Southern Districts 4th grade apparently.
Sydney's most prominent population belt is straight west of Wills ground out to Liverpool. Not a single club in this area for years. Liverpool Cougars junior club was it.

 

[KentwellCup>ShuteShield]

Sad whats happened to union in the southern and south western suburbs.

 

[Ref_Ted]

Some high level NSW Suburban statistics since 2001

 

[Ref_Ted]

This does not take into account where some or even a majority of teams could not field the lowest grade (i.e. Sutherland Cup 2023 is still counted).

 

[Ref_Ted]

Does not tell the full story, actual number of games would be lower.

 

[Ref_Ted]

A bit cumbersome for this forum, last one and back to 2024 season. The data behind the above charts. Interesting looking at some of the clubs that have come and gone over the years.

 

[Pfitzy]

Note for your records: Renegades = Rouse Hill.

 

[Pfitzy]

I did something similar off the Annual Reports available:

Player numbers - note the Y axis starts at 4000

Number of Clubs (right axis) total and Teams total per year. Number of clubs fairly steady (52 to 47). Number of teams dropped.

Teams per Club - basically drilling down on the above.

 

[Pfitzy]

I'm told by people involved in other sports that participation is similarly falling.

 

[DaSchmooze]

I'm told by people involved in other sports that participation is similarly falling.

Touch Football has lost half of all participants since 2017

 

[Pfitzy]

Touch Football has lost half of all participants since 2017

What would be interesting is to understand if they're going to another sport or just quitting.

I was looking at some lower grade Premier Rugby sheets from 2023, and saw a fair few names that came up on Subbies sheets from 2022. So they're at least staying in the code.

 

[Ref_Ted]

I also have data showing the number of results, byes, forfeits, and cancelled matches across the divisions.
I have 2020 - 2023 which is obviously skewed, and am currently adding 2019 via the referee appointments as I have no match results prior to 2020.

 

[DaSchmooze]

What would be interesting is to understand if they're going to another sport or just quitting.

I was looking at some lower grade Premier Rugby sheets from 2023, and saw a fair few names that came up on Subbies sheets from 2022. So they're at least staying in the code.

Rugby league and Rugby 7s is taking a solid tranche of female players out of the game, but not half of all participants though. Its a drop of about 200k players. Ovid can be blamed for some of that but certainly not all of it.

 

[Ref_Ted]

Another chart, potential games over the last 23 season for Div 1-4. Added total and a telling trend line. This does not account for games that were forfeited or cancelled, nor does it account for clubs that could not accommodate the full compliment of teams.
I will look at adding Div 5 & 6.
It is interesting seeing the clubs in the above matrix across the years. Team moving up through the divisions only to disappear altogether (Kings, CBOB, etc..) also the 3 clubs that had a single season in Div 4 the first year it dropped the Walker Cup in 2020 (Dukes, Maccabi, Colleagues).

 

[Pfitzy]

Divs 5 & 6 will be interesting. You'll see a fair bit of attrition I'd say.

Here are the clubs I have down as finished up since 2007:
Oakhill Old Boys
Norwest
Killara West Pymble
Bankstown
Notre Dame Uni
St George
Liverpool
The Vales (Fairvale/Lansvale)
Roseville
Sydney Grammar Old Boys
Collaroy
Clovelly
Seaforth
ICMS
Dee Why
Engadine
Sydney Combined Forces
Hawkesbury Ag College
Menai - came back in a couple of times, won trophies, shut down.

Rockdale came back in 2023 and status for 2024 TBC.

The "maybes" who were still about in 2023 via merger or Halligan Cup:
Lane Cove
Brothers
Terrey Hills

 

[Ref_Ted]

Divs 5 & 6 will be interesting. You'll see a fair bit of attrition I'd say.

Here are the clubs I have down as finished up since 2007:
Oakhill Old Boys
Norwest
Killara West Pymble
Bankstown
Notre Dame Uni
St George
Liverpool
The Vales (Fairvale/Lansvale)
Roseville
Sydney Grammar Old Boys
Collaroy
Clovelly
Seaforth
ICMS
Dee Why
Engadine
Sydney Combined Forces
Hawkesbury Ag College
Menai - came back in a couple of times, won trophies, shut down.

Rockdale came back in 2023 and status for 2024 TBC.

The "maybes" who were still about in 2023 via merger or Halligan Cup:
Lane Cove
Brothers
Terrey Hills

To keep it simple I kept out the filler clubs such as convicts that were playing lower grades only in 23. There was a lot of that going on last year.
I will also likely move Northern Saints into St Ives for example as well.