Sydney Subbies 2022

[Doritos Day]

Keep a careful eye on the refereeing @ Melwood tomorrow. Some "bizarre" officiating performances have come out of Forestville in recent years, especially when the chips are down for the home side - must be something in the water.

 

[Waterloo_Ned]

Div 2 Finals
Blunt Cup
Lindfield v Epping - Lindfield with their usual finals strategy here against a depleted Rams outfit. Lindfield by 40.
UNSW v Hawkesbury Valley - UNSW with a strong side as their top two grades not playing. Don't think for a second they haven't planned for this. UNSW by 32.

Stockdale Cup
Newport v Harlequins - Call me an optimist but Newport are going to have to be up for this one. It is a long way from Porters and a few unavailabilities I notice due to open selection. Quinns by 1.
Hills v Hawkesbury Valley - I am not sure 2nd Grade is Hills priority this year. Valley by 20.

Barraclough Cup
Hawkesbury Valley v Old Barker - Barker have limped into the finals here. Valley will enjoy this as a warm up to UNSW next week. Valley to jump out to a comfortable 30 point lead before the subs come on and the scoreline plateaus. Valley by 35.
Lindfield v Hills - Match of the day. Will come down to who takes their chances. You can flip a coin, and goalkicking is vital. Hills by 6.

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[Pfitzy]

Robertson Cup thoughts @Northmead_Ned ?

 

[Pfitzy]

Meanwhile in Fourth Div:

Grose Cup
12:15 Sydney Harbour (2) v Merrylands (3) - The Wolves have lost 3 this year - at Savers with 2 red cards, and against Epping in tight Round 1 and Round 14 clashes. They have also beaten Savers, Harbour, & Redfield, so not to be underestimated. Don't know if finals in their other competition have provided any issues for Harbour, but it is likely to be very close again. Last time out was 29-24 to Merrylands. A few showers around might make things interesting.

13:45 Epping (1) v Redfield (5) - the Rams won't be taking anything easy here, looking at how easily Redfield got into Savers last week. Their Round 5 clash was a lopsided affair, but that was 3 months ago and won't be on the minds of many. Both teams know how to play, and Epping will be looking to get the ascendancy up front in the loose to take this.

PREDICTION: Epping (1) v Merrylands (3) Grand Final


McLean Cup
15:15 Manly Savers (2) v Epping (3) - the narrow loss by the Rams in Round 4 will mean nothing come Saturday. Epping weren't dominant against Mac Uni overall, but I think they'll muscle up in the forwards and hit Savers hard. It'll be another good game of footy.

17:00 Sydney Harbour (1) v Redfield Old Boys (4) - should be entertaining to watch. The Round 8 clash at the College was tight for 40 minutes until Harbour pulled away, and I expect much of the same. I'll be there on official duties so should be a nice, crisp night to be sideline.

PREDICTION: Harbour (1) v Epping (3) Grand Final

 

[Pfitzy]

Grose Cup Harbour v Merrylands for those with NSWRugby.tv

Sydney Harbour Rugby Club v Merrylands Rugby Club - Semi-Finals

Watch Sydney Harbour Rugby Club v Merrylands Rugby Club at Woollahra Oval

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9-6 to the Wolves at halftime, after a 35m penalty on the buzzer to take the lead for the first time.
Lot of dropped ball but some staunch defence by both sides.

 

[Pfitzy]

Harbour take it 13-12 after a late try. Not sure what Wolves 8 was thinking, taking the ball off the back of the scrum for a midfield kick, but the counterattack and subsequent conversion snuck the Easts men home. Wow.

 

[Pfitzy]

Second game bit of a seesawing affair but Redfield did enough to get past the Rams.

I'm 0 from 2 so far. If the next 2 don't go the right way I will be utterly shocked.

 

[Pfitzy]

Savers and Epping locked up at 13-all halftime. It's willing.

 

[Pfitzy]

Savers steal it late.

I'm zero from three. Be nervous, Oysters

 

[Prodigy]

Second game bit of a seesawing affair but Redfield did enough to get past the Rams.

I'm 0 from 2 so far. If the next 2 don't go the right way I will be utterly shocked.

Redfield did enough? They got hammered in the scrum by our second grade, got awarded penalties for being weak and dominated, and then stole a try after a penalty try was awarded. The lack of understanding and awareness of the referee on that one was atrocious.
I’m not going to even start on the referee in first grade. A lot of the cards were ridiculous, especially our last one.

 

[The Wombat]

Drummoyne to be relegated after today‘s results? 0 wins while Petersham managed to get wins in Colts and 4s.

 

[Pfitzy]

stole a try after a penalty try was awarded. The lack of understanding and awareness of the referee on that one was atrocious.

Will say I've never seen that on a rugby field before. Should be a retaken kick according to 12.5.b

Has also been a long time since I saw a prop yellow carded at scrum time outside the red zone at this level, which was the reward for scrum dominance. Surprised you didn't make more of it TBH.

 

[Pfitzy]

I’m not going to even start on the referee in first grade. A lot of the cards were ridiculous, especially our last one.

Really? He'd already handed out a couple of cards for the push and shove - also justified - earlier in the game. There was a fair bit of niggle in the midfield in that game as well.

Your #14 might have got away with just the not-rolling as a penalty but painted a target on himself with the push after it. Five minutes to go. Game in the balance, already a few incidents.

 

[WoodyWoodsman]

Second game bit of a seesawing affair but Redfield did enough to get past the Rams.

I'm 0 from 2 so far. If the next 2 don't go the right way I will be utterly shocked.

Really? He'd already handed out a couple of cards for the push and shove - also justified - earlier in the game. There was a fair bit of niggle in the midfield in that game as well.

Your #14 might have got away with just the not-rolling as a penalty but painted a target on himself with the push after it. Five minutes to go. Game in the balance, already a few incidents.

Why is the referee asking the Savers captain if he wants the yellow card or not? It's not a yellow card offence.

We also score a try in the 64th minute but he calls held up before the play is complete.

 

[Pfitzy]

Why is the referee asking the Savers captain if he wants the yellow card or not?

Maybe the Savers captain was getting a bit chatty or upset and he was looking to calm them down? Have seen that done a hundred times by refs e.g.

Captain: "What about the push/high tackle/shoulder sir?"
Player: "Calm down - I've got it and will deal with it"

 

[Pfitzy]

It's not a yellow card offence.

Nothing is, technically. And in some ways, anything could be.

Under Law 9 Foul Play the Principle states: "A player who commits foul play must either be cautioned or temporarily suspended or sent off."

First place to look is Dangerous Play
15. Except in a scrum, ruck or maul, a player who is not in possession of the ball must not hold, push, charge or obstruct an opponent not in possession of the ball.

You can also look at the catch-all Misconduct
27. A player must not do anything that is against the spirit of good sportsmanship.

 

[Pfitzy]

Div 2 finals today:
Barraclough: HValley (3) def Old Barker (6) and Lindfield (4) def Hills (5) - probably no shocks there.
Stockdale: Newport (3) def Harlequins (6) and Hills (4) def HValley (5) - Hills did it tough 8-7!
Blunt: Lindfield (3) def Epping (6) and UNSW (4) def HValley (5) - again to script
Robertson: Easts (3) def HValley (6) and Beecroft (5) def Hills (4) - the only "upset". Hills getting 3 YC might not have helped.

 

[Pfitzy]

Drummoyne to be relegated after today‘s results? 0 wins while Petersham managed to get wins in Colts and 4s.

There are 4 points separating them from Petersham on the Club Championship table, so maybe that's a question of who wants it more/less.

A 10-club Div 1 is a nice idea, but only if you can run an 18-week season to even everything up. And I'm not sure that is sustainable.

 

[Uzi1989]

I have never seen that before on the rugby field as well, and.... I hope I never see that again..

The 2nd grade ref was way out of his depth, and it showed - and unfortunately Epping lost the semi because of his (poor) performance

Was the ref that bad I was watching from the car park after Merrylands got eliminated the game before sounded like a great game

 

[Pfitzy]

I have never seen that before on the rugby field as well, and.... I hope I never see that again..

As a discussion point: what can you do as a captain/coach there? We don't really have an on-field review system at this level.