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Frank Nicholson (4)
Now that you have encouraged me. Here are the second division clubs. I was a fan of the old second division and feel that it should be remembered. Sydney "Second Division" existed under a number of names between 1962-1992. 31 years!
NSWRU Second Division
1962 Hawkesbury Agricultural College, Hornsby, Mosman, Port Hacking, Sydney Teachers College, Western Suburbs
1963 Hawkesbury Agricultural College, Hornsby, Mosman, Port Hacking, Sydney Teachers College, University of NSW, Western Suburbs
(1963 UNSW added)
1964 Hawkesbury Agricultural College, Hornsby, Mosman, Port Hacking, Sydney Teachers College, University of NSW, Warringah, Western Suburbs,
(1964 Warringah added)
Sydney Rugby Union Second Division (SRU formed for 1966 season)
1966 Canterbury, Hawkesbury Agricultural College, Hornsby, Mosman, Nepean, Port Hacking, Sydney Teachers College, Warringah
(1966 UNSW and Western Suburbs promoted to First Division; Canterbury and Nepean added)
1967 Canterbury, Hawkesbury Agricultural College, Hornsby, Mosman, Nepean, Port Hacking, South Sydney, Teachers, Warringah
(1967 South Sydney added; Sydney Teachers College replaced by Teachers)
1968-1970 Bankstown, Canterbury, Hawkesbury Agricultural College, Hornsby, Mosman, Nepean, Port Hacking, South Sydney, Teachers, Warringah
(1968 Bankstown added)
1971-1974 Bankstown, Canterbury, Dundas Valley, Hawkesbury Agricultural College,
Hornsby, Macquarie University, Mosman, Nepean, South Sydney, Teachers
(1971 Port Hacking and Warringah promoted to First Division; Dundas Valley and Macquarie University added)
1975 Bankstown, Canterbury, Dundas Valley, Hawkesbury Agricultural College, Hornsby
Macquarie University, Mosman, Nepean, Smithfield, South Sydney, Teachers
(1975 Smithfield added)
1976 Canterbury-Bankstown, Dundas Valley, Hawkesbury Agricultural College, Liverpool, Mosman, Nepean, Smithfield, South Sydney, Teachers
(1976 Bankstown moved to and became Liverpool; Canterbury changed its name to Canterbury-Bankstown)
1977-1978
Campbelltown Harlequins, Canterbury-Bankstown, Dundas Valley, Hawkesbury Agricultural College, Liverpool, Mosman, Nepean, Smithfield, South Sydney, Teachers
(1977 Campbelltown Harlequins added)
The Sydney Rugby Union established a Third Division for 1979 and introduced promotion and relegation between the three Divisions.
1979 Campbelltown Harlequins, Canterbury-Bankstown, Drummoyne, Hornsby, Macquarie University, Nepean, Port Hacking, St George, Smithfield, Sydney University
(1979 Dundas Valley, Hawkesbury Agricultural College, Liverpool, Mosman, South Sydney and Teachers were relegated to the 1979 Third Division. Teachers and South Sydney amalgamated as Teachers-South Sydney for Third Division.
Drummoyne, Hornsby, Macquarie University, Port Hacking, St George and Sydney University were relegated from "First Division B" to form the 1979 Second Division with Campbelltown Harlequins, Canterbury-Bankstown, Nepean and Smithfield.)
1980 Campbelltown Harlequins, Canterbury-Bankstown, Drummoyne, Hornsby, Mosman,
Nepean, Port Hacking, Smithfield, University of NSW, Western Suburbs
(1980 St George and Sydney University promoted to First Division; UNSW and Western suburbs relegated from First Division; Macquarie University relegated to Third Division; Mosman promoted from Third Division)
1981 Campbelltown Harlequins, Canterbury Bankstown, Drummoyne, Eastern Suburbs,
Eastwood, Hawkesbury Agricultural College, Mosman, Port Hacking, Smithfield, University of NSW
(1981 Hornsby and Western Suburbs promoted to First Division; Eastern Suburbs and Eastwood relegated from First Division; Hawkesbury Agricultural College promoted from Third Division; Nepean relegated to Third Division and changed name to Penrith.)
1982 Campbelltown Harlequins, Canterbury Bankstown, Drummoyne, Dundas Valley, Hornsby, Mosman, Northern Suburbs, Port Hacking, Smithfield, University of NSW
(1982 Eastern Suburbs and Eastwood promoted to First Division; Hornsby and Northern Suburbs relegated from First Division; Dundas Valley promoted from Third Division; Hawkesbury Agricultural College relegated to Third Division.)
1983 Campbelltown Harlequins, Canterbury-Bankstown, Drummoyne, Hornsby, Liverpool, Mosman, Northern Suburbs, Smithfield, Sydney University, University of NSW
(1983 Port Hacking promoted to First Division; Sydney University relegated from First Division; Liverpool promoted from Third Division; Dundas Valley relegated to Third Division.)
1984 Canterbury-Bankstown, Drummoyne, Eastern Suburbs, Hornsby, Liverpool, Mosman, Northern Suburbs, Penrith, Smithfield, University of NSW
(1984 Sydney University promoted to First Division; Eastern Suburbs relegated from First Division; Penrith promoted from Third Division; Campbelltown Harlequins relegated to Third Division.)
1985 Canterbury-Bankstown, Drummoyne, Hornsby, Liverpool, Mosman, Northern Suburbs, Penrith, St George, Smithfield, University of NSW
(1985 Eastern Suburbs promoted to First Division; St George relegated from First Division; Dundas Valley declined promotion from Third Division due to a split in the club which allowed Liverpool not to be demoted to Third Division.)
1986 Campbelltown Harlequins, Drummoyne, Hornsby, Liverpool, Mosman, Northern Suburbs, Penrith, Port Hacking, University of NSW
(1986 St George promoted to First Division; Port Hacking relegated from First Division; Campbelltown Harlequins promoted from Third Division; Canterbury-Bankstown relegated to Third Division; Smithfield dropped to Third Division for not fielding the required number of teams.)
In 1987, the ten clubs that made up the 1986 SRU First Division affiliated directly with the NSWRU leaving the SRU. The dispute was over promotion and relegation and a proposed restructure of the competition. The SRU continued as the “SRU Premiership” competition with some of the remaining Second and Third Division clubs. The First Division clubs that left the SRU were: Eastern Suburbs, Eastwood, Gordon, Manly, Parramatta, Randwick, St George, Sydney University, Warringah and Western Suburbs.
Sydney Rugby Union Premiership
1987-1988 Canterbury-Bankstown (from 1986 3rd Div), Drummoyne, Dundas Valley (from1986 3rd Div), Hawkesbury Agricultural College (from 1986 3rd Div), Hawkesbury Valley (new club), Hornsby, Liverpool, Mosman, Northern Suburbs, Penrith, Port Hacking, South Sydney New Zealand (from 1986 3rd Div), University of NSW
(1987 Campbelltown Harlequins moved to the Illawarra Rugby Union;
Macquarie University and Wentwothville RSL (3rd Div clubs) moved to the NSW Suburban Rugby Union;
Smithfield withdrew before the season commenced; Hawkesbury Valley was a brand new cub added to the competition.)
For 1989, the ten clubs that had left the SRU in 1987 & 1988 re-affiliated with the SRU and displaced the clubs in "SRU Premiership". These (second division) clubs competed in a "SRU Metropolitan" competition.
Sydney Rugby Union Metropolitan
1989 Canterbury-Bankstown, Drummoyne, Dundas Valley, Hawkesbury Agricultural College, Hawkesbury Valley, Hornsby, Liverpool, Mosman, Northern Suburbs, Penrith,
South Sydney New Zealand, University of NSW
( 1989 Port Hacking amalgamated with St George as Southern Districts to play in the 1989 "SRU Premiership")
1990 Canterbury-Bankstown, Drummoyne, Dundas Valley, Hawkesbury Agricultural College, Hawkesbury Valley, Hornsby, Liverpool, Mosman, Penrith, South Sydney New Zealand, University of NSW
(1990 Northern Suburbs was added to the "SRU Premiership")
1991 Canterbury-Bankstown, Dundas Valley, Hawkesbury Agricultural College, Hawkesbury Valley, Hornsby, Liverpool, Mosman, Penrith, South Sydney New Zealand
University of NSW
(1991 Drummoyne was added to the "SRU Premiership")
In 1992 the NSW Rugby Union re-took the running of the Sydney club competitions. The "SRU Metropolitan" competition was rebranded the NSWRU "Sydney Cup".
NSWRU Sydney Cup
1992 (last year of a "Second Division") Canterbury-Bankstown, Dundas Valley, Hawkesbury Agricultural College, Hawkesbury Valley, Hornsby, Liverpool, Mosman, Penrith, University of NSW
(1992 South Sydney-New Zealand moved to the NSW Suburban RU.)
Prior to the 1992 season, Hornsby took the Sydney Rugby Union to court to attempt to gain promotion to the "SRU Premiership". Hornsby had won the "SRU Metropolitan" Club Championship in 1991. Drummoyne, who had finished last in the 1991 Premiership, argued that there was no automatic promotion and relegation when they were promoted in 1991. The SRU agreed. A court appointed arbiter ruled that since the NSWRU had taken over and the SRU no longer controlled the competition, Hornsby's summons lacked "practical utility". Hornsby was not promoted. Aren't lawyers wonderful.
At the end of the 1992 season, the NSWRU agreed that there could be a "right of challenge" between the club coming last in the Club Champion of the "Premiership" and the Club Champions of the "Sydney Cup" - involving all grades and colts. Hornsby had again won the Club Championship and challenged Drummoyne who had again come last. The challenge was held and Hornsby lost convincingly. Losing five of the six games played.
With Hornsby failing to defeat Drummoyne at the end of 1992, the teams in the 1993 Premiership ("first division") competition remained unchanged, but the NSWRU "reorganised" the "second division" by merging it into the NSW Suburban Rugby Union competition. The "Sydney Cup" teams and the top division Suburban teams played in a "combined competition" of 18 teams for one year and then in the following year dividing into the various Suburban Rugby Union divisions.
The Sydney "Second Division" in its various forms had come to an end.
As a final note. Ironically, the NSWRU relegated Drummoyne to the NSW Suburban Rugby Union in 1995. The "Dirty Reds" are still there.
NSWRU Second Division
1962 Hawkesbury Agricultural College, Hornsby, Mosman, Port Hacking, Sydney Teachers College, Western Suburbs
1963 Hawkesbury Agricultural College, Hornsby, Mosman, Port Hacking, Sydney Teachers College, University of NSW, Western Suburbs
(1963 UNSW added)
1964 Hawkesbury Agricultural College, Hornsby, Mosman, Port Hacking, Sydney Teachers College, University of NSW, Warringah, Western Suburbs,
(1964 Warringah added)
Sydney Rugby Union Second Division (SRU formed for 1966 season)
1966 Canterbury, Hawkesbury Agricultural College, Hornsby, Mosman, Nepean, Port Hacking, Sydney Teachers College, Warringah
(1966 UNSW and Western Suburbs promoted to First Division; Canterbury and Nepean added)
1967 Canterbury, Hawkesbury Agricultural College, Hornsby, Mosman, Nepean, Port Hacking, South Sydney, Teachers, Warringah
(1967 South Sydney added; Sydney Teachers College replaced by Teachers)
1968-1970 Bankstown, Canterbury, Hawkesbury Agricultural College, Hornsby, Mosman, Nepean, Port Hacking, South Sydney, Teachers, Warringah
(1968 Bankstown added)
1971-1974 Bankstown, Canterbury, Dundas Valley, Hawkesbury Agricultural College,
Hornsby, Macquarie University, Mosman, Nepean, South Sydney, Teachers
(1971 Port Hacking and Warringah promoted to First Division; Dundas Valley and Macquarie University added)
1975 Bankstown, Canterbury, Dundas Valley, Hawkesbury Agricultural College, Hornsby
Macquarie University, Mosman, Nepean, Smithfield, South Sydney, Teachers
(1975 Smithfield added)
1976 Canterbury-Bankstown, Dundas Valley, Hawkesbury Agricultural College, Liverpool, Mosman, Nepean, Smithfield, South Sydney, Teachers
(1976 Bankstown moved to and became Liverpool; Canterbury changed its name to Canterbury-Bankstown)
1977-1978
Campbelltown Harlequins, Canterbury-Bankstown, Dundas Valley, Hawkesbury Agricultural College, Liverpool, Mosman, Nepean, Smithfield, South Sydney, Teachers
(1977 Campbelltown Harlequins added)
The Sydney Rugby Union established a Third Division for 1979 and introduced promotion and relegation between the three Divisions.
1979 Campbelltown Harlequins, Canterbury-Bankstown, Drummoyne, Hornsby, Macquarie University, Nepean, Port Hacking, St George, Smithfield, Sydney University
(1979 Dundas Valley, Hawkesbury Agricultural College, Liverpool, Mosman, South Sydney and Teachers were relegated to the 1979 Third Division. Teachers and South Sydney amalgamated as Teachers-South Sydney for Third Division.
Drummoyne, Hornsby, Macquarie University, Port Hacking, St George and Sydney University were relegated from "First Division B" to form the 1979 Second Division with Campbelltown Harlequins, Canterbury-Bankstown, Nepean and Smithfield.)
1980 Campbelltown Harlequins, Canterbury-Bankstown, Drummoyne, Hornsby, Mosman,
Nepean, Port Hacking, Smithfield, University of NSW, Western Suburbs
(1980 St George and Sydney University promoted to First Division; UNSW and Western suburbs relegated from First Division; Macquarie University relegated to Third Division; Mosman promoted from Third Division)
1981 Campbelltown Harlequins, Canterbury Bankstown, Drummoyne, Eastern Suburbs,
Eastwood, Hawkesbury Agricultural College, Mosman, Port Hacking, Smithfield, University of NSW
(1981 Hornsby and Western Suburbs promoted to First Division; Eastern Suburbs and Eastwood relegated from First Division; Hawkesbury Agricultural College promoted from Third Division; Nepean relegated to Third Division and changed name to Penrith.)
1982 Campbelltown Harlequins, Canterbury Bankstown, Drummoyne, Dundas Valley, Hornsby, Mosman, Northern Suburbs, Port Hacking, Smithfield, University of NSW
(1982 Eastern Suburbs and Eastwood promoted to First Division; Hornsby and Northern Suburbs relegated from First Division; Dundas Valley promoted from Third Division; Hawkesbury Agricultural College relegated to Third Division.)
1983 Campbelltown Harlequins, Canterbury-Bankstown, Drummoyne, Hornsby, Liverpool, Mosman, Northern Suburbs, Smithfield, Sydney University, University of NSW
(1983 Port Hacking promoted to First Division; Sydney University relegated from First Division; Liverpool promoted from Third Division; Dundas Valley relegated to Third Division.)
1984 Canterbury-Bankstown, Drummoyne, Eastern Suburbs, Hornsby, Liverpool, Mosman, Northern Suburbs, Penrith, Smithfield, University of NSW
(1984 Sydney University promoted to First Division; Eastern Suburbs relegated from First Division; Penrith promoted from Third Division; Campbelltown Harlequins relegated to Third Division.)
1985 Canterbury-Bankstown, Drummoyne, Hornsby, Liverpool, Mosman, Northern Suburbs, Penrith, St George, Smithfield, University of NSW
(1985 Eastern Suburbs promoted to First Division; St George relegated from First Division; Dundas Valley declined promotion from Third Division due to a split in the club which allowed Liverpool not to be demoted to Third Division.)
1986 Campbelltown Harlequins, Drummoyne, Hornsby, Liverpool, Mosman, Northern Suburbs, Penrith, Port Hacking, University of NSW
(1986 St George promoted to First Division; Port Hacking relegated from First Division; Campbelltown Harlequins promoted from Third Division; Canterbury-Bankstown relegated to Third Division; Smithfield dropped to Third Division for not fielding the required number of teams.)
In 1987, the ten clubs that made up the 1986 SRU First Division affiliated directly with the NSWRU leaving the SRU. The dispute was over promotion and relegation and a proposed restructure of the competition. The SRU continued as the “SRU Premiership” competition with some of the remaining Second and Third Division clubs. The First Division clubs that left the SRU were: Eastern Suburbs, Eastwood, Gordon, Manly, Parramatta, Randwick, St George, Sydney University, Warringah and Western Suburbs.
Sydney Rugby Union Premiership
1987-1988 Canterbury-Bankstown (from 1986 3rd Div), Drummoyne, Dundas Valley (from1986 3rd Div), Hawkesbury Agricultural College (from 1986 3rd Div), Hawkesbury Valley (new club), Hornsby, Liverpool, Mosman, Northern Suburbs, Penrith, Port Hacking, South Sydney New Zealand (from 1986 3rd Div), University of NSW
(1987 Campbelltown Harlequins moved to the Illawarra Rugby Union;
Macquarie University and Wentwothville RSL (3rd Div clubs) moved to the NSW Suburban Rugby Union;
Smithfield withdrew before the season commenced; Hawkesbury Valley was a brand new cub added to the competition.)
For 1989, the ten clubs that had left the SRU in 1987 & 1988 re-affiliated with the SRU and displaced the clubs in "SRU Premiership". These (second division) clubs competed in a "SRU Metropolitan" competition.
Sydney Rugby Union Metropolitan
1989 Canterbury-Bankstown, Drummoyne, Dundas Valley, Hawkesbury Agricultural College, Hawkesbury Valley, Hornsby, Liverpool, Mosman, Northern Suburbs, Penrith,
South Sydney New Zealand, University of NSW
( 1989 Port Hacking amalgamated with St George as Southern Districts to play in the 1989 "SRU Premiership")
1990 Canterbury-Bankstown, Drummoyne, Dundas Valley, Hawkesbury Agricultural College, Hawkesbury Valley, Hornsby, Liverpool, Mosman, Penrith, South Sydney New Zealand, University of NSW
(1990 Northern Suburbs was added to the "SRU Premiership")
1991 Canterbury-Bankstown, Dundas Valley, Hawkesbury Agricultural College, Hawkesbury Valley, Hornsby, Liverpool, Mosman, Penrith, South Sydney New Zealand
University of NSW
(1991 Drummoyne was added to the "SRU Premiership")
In 1992 the NSW Rugby Union re-took the running of the Sydney club competitions. The "SRU Metropolitan" competition was rebranded the NSWRU "Sydney Cup".
NSWRU Sydney Cup
1992 (last year of a "Second Division") Canterbury-Bankstown, Dundas Valley, Hawkesbury Agricultural College, Hawkesbury Valley, Hornsby, Liverpool, Mosman, Penrith, University of NSW
(1992 South Sydney-New Zealand moved to the NSW Suburban RU.)
Prior to the 1992 season, Hornsby took the Sydney Rugby Union to court to attempt to gain promotion to the "SRU Premiership". Hornsby had won the "SRU Metropolitan" Club Championship in 1991. Drummoyne, who had finished last in the 1991 Premiership, argued that there was no automatic promotion and relegation when they were promoted in 1991. The SRU agreed. A court appointed arbiter ruled that since the NSWRU had taken over and the SRU no longer controlled the competition, Hornsby's summons lacked "practical utility". Hornsby was not promoted. Aren't lawyers wonderful.
At the end of the 1992 season, the NSWRU agreed that there could be a "right of challenge" between the club coming last in the Club Champion of the "Premiership" and the Club Champions of the "Sydney Cup" - involving all grades and colts. Hornsby had again won the Club Championship and challenged Drummoyne who had again come last. The challenge was held and Hornsby lost convincingly. Losing five of the six games played.
With Hornsby failing to defeat Drummoyne at the end of 1992, the teams in the 1993 Premiership ("first division") competition remained unchanged, but the NSWRU "reorganised" the "second division" by merging it into the NSW Suburban Rugby Union competition. The "Sydney Cup" teams and the top division Suburban teams played in a "combined competition" of 18 teams for one year and then in the following year dividing into the various Suburban Rugby Union divisions.
The Sydney "Second Division" in its various forms had come to an end.
As a final note. Ironically, the NSWRU relegated Drummoyne to the NSW Suburban Rugby Union in 1995. The "Dirty Reds" are still there.