Sydney Colts - 2017

[forwards4ever]

Point is, does UNSW even have a rugby club?

Sadly UNSW does have a Rugby club. They play subbies!

So you might ask why all the scholarships to Randwick?

 

[Inside Shoulder]

The point is successful clubs will attract good coaches and players.
It's more to do with the development programs and the club culture that will attract players, much less to do with incentives offered.

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The incentives are paltry but that doesn't make recruiting to warehouse acceptable or good for oz rugby

 

[The Honey Badger]

Well F4e, why then do UNSW give scholarships to Randwick rather than to their own struggling club?

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[Inside Shoulder]

Well F4e, why then do UNSW give scholarships to Randwick rather than to their own struggling club?

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Sponsorship.
Notable alum who left unsw for the wicks.
Only way to offer credible alternative to usyd.
Why do Gordon and UTS have a similar arrangement?

 

[The Honey Badger]

Sponsorship.
Notable alum who left unsw for the wicks.
Only way to offer credible alternative to usyd.
Why do Gordon and UTS have a similar arrangement?

If you ask me, Gordon have one of the best scholarships going, and I think they offer 2. And that is 100% fee relief at UTS - the recipient has no HECS debt. That would be worth 30K + over a few years,

Dont think there is anything quite that good at Uni, unless they qualify academically themselves.

 

[Blazing Saddles]

If you ask me, Gordon have one of the best scholarships going, and I think they offer 2. And that is 100% fee relief at UTS - the recipient has no HECS debt. That would be worth 30K + over a few years,

Dont think there is anything quite that good at Uni, unless they qualify academically themselves.

I thought free accommodation , meals, medical check ups weekly, sports facilities use Plus reduced fees would be worth a lot more than that?Aren't there people living on campus who don't attend Uni at all?I say good luck to them if thats the case and you would be mad to turn it down.

 

[The Honey Badger]

I thought free accommodation , meals, medical check ups weekly, sports facilities use Plus reduced fees would be worth a lot more than that?Aren't there people living on campus who don't attend Uni at all?I say good luck to them if thats the case and you would be mad to turn it down.

Don't think anyone gets free accommodation. Fees for a residential college at Uni are about $30k per year. Some boys at best get a discount off this, but still have to pay a bomb. (ie. Still have to pay by far the biggest portion of that bill)

Yep, there could be a free gym membership for what's that is worth.

Anyway, as you say all the scholarships are distorting the comp. Just don't know why it's not working for Gordon this year.

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[sidelineview]

Randwick Colts teams vs Penrith @ Nepean Rugby Park

COLTS 1 3 pm Coogee Oval COLTS 2 COLTS 3
1 Dan MatthewCallum Quinn James McNeill
2 Jack Upton Cam Prince Connor McCullough
3 Will Anderson Sione Nikau Vincent Choy
4 Tom Nowlan Nathan Gittoes Sam Cantarella
5 Alec Corcoran Pat Clifton Solomon Eden
6 Tom Serhon Ben O'Sullivan Aidan Pelligrini
7 Lewis Allen Latham James Ben Edwards
8 Gus Vivers Michael Midson Blake Hannah
9 Tyzac Jordan Dimitry Chipizubov James Tinker
10 Nick Wilkinson Patrick Pelligrini Dallas Peterson
11 Ronald Streeter Mason Jaya Yoannidis Toni Cano
12 Steve Gibson Matt Orpen Max Rivers
13 Yirribi Jaffer Williams Zac Carr Lufusi Vea Tapaatoutai
14 Dan Boardman Will Douglass Dean Kormanyos
15 Morgan Steyn Ryley Angles Cork Jason McDonald
REPLACEMENTS REPLACEMENTS REPLACEMENTS
16 16 Harry Stewart 16 Tom Callaughan
17 17 Barney Pinkerton 17 John Taukolo
18 18 Travis Gifford 18 Guy Beynon
19 19 19 Richmond Tahaafee
20 20 20 Jack Wilson

 

[Blazing Saddles]

Don't think anyone gets free accommodation. Fees for a residential college at Uni are about $30k per year. Some boys at best get a discount off this, but still have to pay a bomb. (ie. Still have to pay by far the biggest portion of that bill)

Yep, there could be a free gym membership for what's that is worth.

Anyway, as you say all the scholarships are distorting the comp. Just don't know why it's not working for Gordon this year.

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I did not say all scholarships are distorting the comp... please get your facts right

 

[Azzuri]

Just don't know why it's not working for Gordon this year.

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two key reasons IMO..... its a very young team and they've had the most horrendous run of luck with injuries.

 

[Blazing Saddles]

Any predictions on the Woods vs Uni clash this weekend, should be a cracking game?

 

[The Honey Badger]

I did not say all scholarships are distorting the comp. please get your facts right

What exactly are you saying and what's your beef with Uni? (besides singing songs)

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[lightning rod]

ecology is a science of its own that may embrace several specialised disciplines. ask an ecologist if they a specialist in physics, chemistry or biology or law and they are not. getting stuck on one argument or using isolated examples to disprove an argument will work too often especially when there are aspects that are not measurable like the brain function of an under 20 males. .... or their mothers'.

the manag a trios can maintain their existence with a couple of demonstrations of looking after their own at selection time. parachute a player with no recent form into a rep team, stick with them if they are unfit .... it doesn't take more than one or two a year to continue the facade. Leave the fold and become persona non grata Not measurable, easily written of as "one mans opinion" but visible to train spotters.

It was funny seeing Godard giving his Randwick man of the Match money to an Eastwood village club though

 

[The Honey Badger]

Very Random, what language do you speak?

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[Rugby Survivor]

Honey Badger it is my understanding that the UTS sponsorship is an amount of money significantly less than $30k that Gordon has the opportunity to use to offer assistance to quality players in paying their fees. Only Australian Schoolboy reps have the opportunity to have a significant portion but not all of their UTS fees covered.
The focus has been on ensuring their juniors come through to the seniors program and they are the players targeted for this assistance.

 

[lightning rod]

Very Random, what language do you speak?

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Yeh
I expected that

 

[Inside Shoulder]

Anyway, as you say all the scholarships are distorting the comp. Just don't know why it's not working for Gordon this year.

I didn't say it either - its the recruiting that worries me.
Scholarships are fine its the rorting or non policing of points that are the problem, coupled with the fact that the points don't seem to be a deterrent to wholesale recruiting.
What is required is a points system that requires all clubs to think very carefully about who they recruit so that there a premium placed on developing your own juniors.
Here's a good example: Yirribi Jaffer-Williams is a Norths junior - he played for Hunters Hill (whether rugby mum #2 likes it or not) - GPS 1s NSW Oz schools or baa baas I can't remember. Zac Carr is a local junior; played CAS 1s scored a great try marking Tyrone - suggesting he's no slouch given the reputation Tyrone has on these threads. He's playing 2s.
Absent this week James Ramm - also imported from HH and in the Gen Blue u20s - also keeping Carr in 2s when he plays. Ramm may be said to be a special case because he only played in lower grades at SJC but he's convinced the Tahs he's worthy of Gen Blue and started in all games I think.

 

[Lost]

I didn't say it either - its the recruiting that worries me.
Scholarships are fine its the rorting or non policing of points that are the problem, coupled with the fact that the points don't seem to be a deterrent to wholesale recruiting.
What is required is a points system that requires all clubs to think very carefully about who they recruit so that there a premium placed on developing your own juniors.

And that sums it up nicely. It isn't about not being able to attract players and it isn't about solely academics scholarships although it is difficult to believe that one of Australia's largest builders is not facilitating apprenticeships as well given that we now understand that not all of the students are actually students?? Which by the way makes one think very much of the gentlemen and professionals era of cricket where some big strong lads are called in to do the hard work while the Bonnington-Smythes open the batting. But I digress. It is the wholesale and persistent recruitment of large slabs of elite talent that must be curtailed



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[Farmer]

isn't max stewart a gen blue player? and I know that there are players that travel a distance to woods that definitely get "fuel money". every club offers incentives, its just some have a greater scope to offer way more. and every clubs has players that want to play with mates, have fun and beers and see how far they can go.

Interesting i know of 5 country lads who travel to Sydney 3 times a week to train and play. No fuel money given there yet? They play for the competition, the opportunity to develop their game and to do so with their mates. They're not doing too badly either with those incentives. Not saying they would say no to fuel money????hahah

 

[The Honey Badger]

Interesting i know of 5 country lads who travel to Sydney 3 times a week to train and play. No fuel money given there yet? They play for the competition, the opportunity to develop their game and to do so with their mates. They're not doing too badly either with those incentives. Not saying they would say no to fuel money????hahah

At Woods?

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