Sydney Colts - 2016

[Hugh Jarse]

2016 Eric Spilsted Shield (Colts Club Championship) Table:
(after Round 16)

There are a maximum of 55 points available to a club each week, based on all 3 colts teams winning with a 4 try BP.

Sydney University, 794 points
Randwick, 713 points
Gordon, 613 points
Northern Suburbs, 610 points
Eastwood, 579 points
Eastern Suburbs, 500 points
Warringah, 441 points
Southern Districts, 425 points
Manly, 319 points
Parramatta, 206 points
West Harbour, 203 points
Penrith, 68 points

How the Colts Club Championship table is calculated.
The competition points from the individual competitions are multiplied by the following factors and then added together.
Colts 1 - 6
Colts 2 - 3
Colts 3 - 2

http://rugby.fusesport.com/rugby/results/external/summaryladder.asp?ladder=1168&OrgID=010100

 

[the baz]

after no real upsets over the weekend, the fight for that 6th spot is certainly heating up. a couple of big rounds coming up, with norths and eastwood fighting for what I think is that crucial 4th spot, and manly, east, and rats fighting for the 6th spot. I think woods have the toughtest run home, but anything can happen. easts beaten rats next round will put an end to the rats season.

 

[Hugh Jarse]

Round 17 Colts Team Lists​

Randwick vs Eastwood​

W. McMahon Memorial Shield (1st Grade Colts)
Randwick: 1. Hame Tali, 2. Tonga Tangatau, 3. Kieran Bonin, 4. Justin Cooper, 5. Joe Whitelock, 6. Lochie Simpson, 7. Jack Hayson, 8. Jum Woodhill, 9. Paddy Rumble, 10. Tom Molloy, 11. James Ramm, 12. Hamish Gordon, 13. Ronald Streeter Mason, 14. Sepesa Tarogi, 15. Billy Freeman
Eastwood: 1. Nareg Nazarian, 2. Max Stewart, 3. Rhys Sherrif, 4. Josh Bones, 5. Charles Granger, 6. Liam Robson, 7. Hamish Fisher, 8. Joseph Carbo, 9. Louis Heaton, 10. Sam Cale, 11. Charles Shepherd, 12. Lachlan Burland, 13. Barton Picone, 14. Thomas Koodrin, 15. Josh Nohra

Shell Trophy (2nd Grade Colts)
Randwick: 1. Billy Finch/Fui Gibson, 2. Matt Serhon, 3. Michael Midson, 4. Rory Williams, 5. Tom Nowlan, 6. Sam Musgrove, 7. Jum Woodhill, 8. Elliot Robbins, 9. Sam Horwitz, 10. Dion Narayan, 11. Gus Simpson, 12. Steve Gibson, 13. Zac Trinkler, 14. Bailey Hilder, 15. Jack Harrison
Eastwood: 1. James Behringer, 2. Nic Dolly, 3. Liam Northridge, 4. Daniel Cosgrove, 5. Jared Odgers, 6. Daniel Ryan, 7. Jacob Bamford, 8. Kyle Cotton, 9. Paul McCaffrey, 10. Tom O'Connor, 11. Milad Ferris, 12. Mauni Pahulu, 13. Joshua So, 14. Josh Hendricks, 15. John Pale

Bill Simpson Shield (3rd Grade Colts)
Randwick: 1. Billy Finch/, 2. Harrison Stein, 3. Sione Nikau, 4. Morehu Pahuru, 5. Alec Corcoran, 6. Lemeke Taumopeau, 7. Aidan Pelligrini, 8. Christian Poidevin, 9. Josh Noonan, 10. Louis Anderson, 11. Tyrrell Naleeba, 12. Will Ben Simms, 13. James Zanoli, 14. Daniel Boardman, 15. Greg Svandfelds
Eastwood: 1. Duncan Ryan, 2. Connor Ryan, 3. Daniel Harvey, 4. Jake Georgas, 5. Ibbi Warfield, 6. Patrick Harrison, 7. Cameron Goodacre, 8. Angus Spicer, 9. Luke Grima, 10. Ryan Jensen, 11. Seiya Ikeda, 12. Daniel Gilbert, 13. Tom Graham, 14. Daniel Lonergan, 15. Daniel Wu

Gordon vs Manly​

W. McMahon Memorial Shield (1st Grade Colts)
Gordon: 1. Rob Lacinski, 2. Hosea Fotukava, 3. Sean Dillon, 4. Beau Petterson, 5. Jack Margin, 6. Nic Burkett, 7. James Lough, 8. Elliot Gehrig, 9. Steve Kirkby, 10. James Dainton, 11. Dom Mete, 12. Josh Thorndyke, 13. Sione Afu, 14. Marcus Hundt, 15. Rory Vevers
Manly: 1. Conor Davidson, 2. Felix Marot, 3. Dom Duran, 4. Van Stewart, 5. Gus Verhoeven, 6. Jared Palmer, 7. Matthew Schofield (c), 8. Scott Williams, 9. Jack Young, 10. Ben Crerar, 11. Lachlan Miller, 12. Joseph Williams, 13. Dylan Bindczus, 14. David Stenning, 15. Fraser Toohey

Shell Trophy (2nd Grade Colts)
Gordon: 1. Oliver Harradine, 2. Jono Burke, 3. Alex Broad, 4. Jordan Small, 5. James Grant, 6. Richie Davis, 7. Lachlan Archer, 8. Simon Pursell, 9. Sam Reimer, 10. Matt Long, 11. Sam Frankham, 12. Brandon Marsh, 13. Kirt Anthony, 14. Conor Hurley, 15. Tom O'Reilly
Manly: 1. Hayden Jones, 2. Auvaa Amituanai, 3. Christian Barwell, 4. Max Grimes, 5. Cameron Signorini, 6. Henry Ferguson, 7. Mitchell Weir, 8. Henry Ferguson, 9. Harry Smart, 10. Isaac Houston, 11. Daniel Heap, 12. Kai Lackner, 13. Daniel Tuipulotu, 14. Lachlan Armstrong, 15. Nick Lising-White

Bill Simpson Shield (3rd Grade Colts)
Gordon: 1. Kav Naati, 2. Eric Stene, 3. Ben Wilkinson, 4. Mitchell Ward, 5. Alex Harper, 6. Bennette Jiang, 7. Byron Blaik, 8. Josh Vincenz, 9. Tom Gall, 10. Dave Balcomb, 11. Kieren Young, 12. Rory Cramb, 13. Angus Margin, 14. Matthew Renshaw, 15. Will Mitchell
Manly: 1. Andrew McMinn, 2. John-Michael Lupton, 3. Vili Kanongataa, 4. Jack Westall, 5. Mitchell Duncan, 6. Tj Leupolu, 7. Tevita Faulao, 8. Cal Mullins, 9. Damian Broughton, 10. Ed Brand, 11. Patrick Calcraft, 12. William Lupton, 13. Daniel Tomokino, 14. Juwan Thomas, 15. Keegan Lind

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Northern Suburbs vs Parramatta​

W. McMahon Memorial Shield (1st Grade Colts)
Northern Suburbs: 1. James Margin, 2. Evan Pritchard, 3. Jakob Sedgman, 4. Paddy Olver, 5. Will Finley, 6. Jack Preece, 7. Matt Psaltis, 8. Kyle Ohara, 9. Nick Duffy, 10. Connor Winchester, 11. Will Connelly, 12. Charlie King, 13. Nick Clancy, 14. Tom Gilbert, 15. Dom Naylor
Parramatta: 1. Ben Harkin, 2. Jacob Bristowe, 3. Dylan Valeni, 4. Ben Talamaivao, 5. Joel Divertie, 6. Romado Tuigamala, 7. Peni Tuitupou, 8. Liam Faoagali, 9. Terry Fanolua, 10. Netane Masima, 11. Jayden Lonergan, 12. Siale Fifita, 13. Solomon Pita, 14. Zac Tuala, 15. Josh Tupuola

Shell Trophy (2nd Grade Colts)
Northern Suburbs: 1. Angus Irons, 2. John King, 3. Ryan Block, 4. Will Davies, 5. Oliver Stump, 6. Hamish Moore, 7. Ben Jeavons-Fellows, 8. Alex Ironside, 9. Tom Veitch, 10. Gabe Cooper, 11. Andre Bez, 12. Zac Campton, 13. Simon Johnston, 14. Tom McKellar, 15. Harry Cudmore
Parramatta: 1. Lorenzo Maa, 2. Haitoni Hafoka, 3. Josh Leota, 4. Lachlan Natapu, 5. William Ravoka, 6. Harvard Mau, 7. John Wesley, 8. Otto-Louis Wendt, 9. Pua Moeara, 10. Dallas Paterson, 11. Les Pauulu, 12. Fili Havea, 13. Raka Poaru, 14. Terek Riwai, 15. Joshua Delailoa

Bill Simpson Shield (3rd Grade Colts)
Northern Suburbs: 1. Liam Macwhite, 2. Dylan Santone, 3. Bailey O’Donnell, 4. Tom Willson, 5. Lachie Moore, 6. Ben Jones, 7. Will McCawe, 8. Ed Pollitt, 9. Chris Vandoros, 10. Shaun Townsend, 11. Todd Owen, 12. Laquand Ofahengaue, 13. Harry Licence, 14. Michael Watt, 15. Liam Wilson
Parramatta: 1. Netane Talanoa, 2. Brendan Corkett, 3. Josh Tupuola, 4. Joash Murray, 5. Danyon Morris, 6. Fergus Ryan, 7. Zac Bristowe, 8. Rio Jones, 9. Mick Zakhia, 10. Dallas Paterson, 11. Fadi Eid, 12. Steve Lemalu, 13. Etuale Toa, 14. Cody Hinsby, 15. Peni Maitatini

Penrith vs Southern Districts​

W. McMahon Memorial Shield (1st Grade Colts)
Penrith: 1. Isaac Baldock, 2. Isaac Harrison, 3. John Pene, 4. Tuimasi Katafono, 5. Zeek Mafi, 6. Hamish Matthews, 7. Delahoya Manu, 8. Tom Taufa, 9. Jye Clapham, 10. Sam Limbrey, 11. Poasa Nakaivalu, 12. Ezekiel Seia, 13. James Papu, 14. Sam Tauilili, 15. Aidan Hopping
Southern Districts: 1. Jacob Storey, 2. Gareth Thomas, 3. Ezra Malolo, 4. Damian Johnston, 5. Simiki Lufe, 6. Dom McGrath, 7. Tony Rumore, 8. Henry Robertson, 9. Liam O'Connor, 10. Ryan Carmody, 11. Brodie Ford, 12. Cooper Harris, 13. William Latu, 14. Te Orangi Thompson, 15. Jack Conen

Shell Trophy (2nd Grade Colts)
Penrith: 1. Assad Collins, 2. Trey Ropata, 3. Daniel Vaega, 4. Solomona Iosefa, 5. Sefo Lalaga, 6. Mat Faoagli, 7. Matt Lawson, 8. Matt Dritti, 9. Leonardo, 10. Chris Nielson, 11. Wirremu King, 12. Thorne Piilua, 13. Ezra Kemp, 14. Jarrod Purcell, 15. Ken Mildwater
Southern Districts: 1. Felix Nellen, 2. Keitel Bramston, 3. Lachlan King, 4. Karaitiana Sa'u, 5. Harrison Dodds, 6. Brandon Kemp, 7. Jack Kenning, 8. Dawie Erasmus, 9. Ben Ridgway, 10. Rob Siteine, 11. Mataele Taufa, 12. Elijah Sa, 13. Gordon Enari, 14. William Blake, 15. Daniel Bell

Bill Simpson Shield (3rd Grade Colts)
Penrith: 1. Chase Taranto, 2. Tremayne Cashman, 3. Sinapati Pati, 4. Sonasi Taungakava, 5. Epati Sale, 6. Tarei Wilson, 7. Halalika Ma Tangi, 8. Lisiate Vaihu, 9. Daniel Tuipulotu, 10. Mitch Austin, 11. Kolio Taungakava, 12. Sebastion Ofoia, 13. Bernie Saleve, 14. Vincent Mulipola, 15. Ben Meyer
Southern Districts: 1. Shaun Thornton, 2. Mitch Howse, 3. Beau Grimley, 4. Tom Swiderski, 5. Matt Davidson, 6. Evan Jenkins, 7. Ryan Brown, 8. Dante Patrick, 9. Ben Lewis, 10. Zac Stewart, 11. Dante Lusio, 12. Fatu Togogae -Faanu, 13. Mitch Robertson, 14. Mataele Taufa, 15. Drew Nuttall

Warringah vs Eastern Suburbs​

W. McMahon Memorial Shield (1st Grade Colts)
Warringah: 1. Ben Rooney, 2. Andy Lloyd, 3. Rob Hill, 4. Cael Carmont, 5. Andrew Davies (c), 6. Luke Hurditch, 7. Luke Milham, 8. Wes Thomas, 9. Josh Bate, 10. Benn Marr, 11. Scott McMurdo, 12. Jaidyn Ma'afu, 13. Jerry Lemalu, 14. Esera Chee-Kam, 15. Puni Aupuni
Eastern Suburbs: 1. James King, 2. Charlie Cooper, 3. Archer Hall, 4. Jack Digby, 5. James Shipway, 6. Toby Starkey, 7. Charlie Smith, 8. Daniel Howes, 9. Ted Pye (c), 10. Daniel England, 11. Jake Prindiville, 12. Ned Yeomans, 13. Daniel Donato, 14. Dylan Luisi, 15. Jayden Wright

Shell Trophy (2nd Grade Colts)
Warringah: 1. SandyButterworth, 2. Hayden Lamaro, 3. Tom Newman, 4. Lachlan Begg, 5. Tim Barrett, 6. Kobe Gillard, 7. Marcus Kemp, 8. Kurtis Starha, 9. Rhett Butler (c), 10. Danny Lautolo, 11. Tom Condon, 12. Pat Flynn, 13. Conor Bradshaw, 14. Bryce Reneman, 15. Nathan Robertson
Eastern Suburbs: 1. Cody Walker, 2. Will Foxton, 3. Nick Zylstra, 4. Ed Ryan, 5. Luke Porter, 6. James Donato, 7. Tom Mahony, 8. Charlie Bodkin, 9. Dan Nutton, 10. Joseph Mackie (c), 11. Louis Collins, 12. James Hawkins, 13. Jordan Bracewell, 14. Jakobi Robinson, 15. Callum Anthony

Bill Simpson Shield (3rd Grade Colts)
Warringah: 1. Clayton Anastasia, 2. Nick Cain, 3. James Clay, 4. Lachlam Brown, 5. Lachie Rose, 6. Callum Powers, 7. Angus Thompson, 8. Quincy Thomas, 9. Matt Clarke, 10. Lachlan Grant, 11. Daniel Chun, 12. Morgan Wagner, 13. Owen Chun, 14. Dallas McKinnon, 15. Sam Groom
Eastern Suburbs: 1. Minh Nguyen, 2. Jose Sollano, 3. Jai Gunton, 4. Charlie Cam, 5. Lachlan Sharp, 6. Jackson Lindsay, 7. Charlie Yole (c), 8. Phil Pymer, 9. Cooper Murphy, 10. Roy Harrison, 11. Tom Stodart, 12. Lloyd Evans, 13. Felix Samengo-Turner, 14. James Goodman, 15. Will Hicks

Sydney University vs West Harbour​

W. McMahon Memorial Shield (1st Grade Colts)
Sydney University: 1. Alexander Masima, 2. Tom Horton, 3. Harry Johnson-Holmes, 4. Peter Fenwicke, 5. Lachlan Argirs, 6. Max Girdler, 7. George Lehmann, 8. Lincoln Whiteley, 9. Banjo Travers, 10. Sam Renton, 11. Eddy King, 12. Luke Lough, 13. William McDonnell, 14. Alex MacDonald, 15. Tim Clements
West Harbour: 1. Paul Utaatu, 2. Tametai Lomax, 3. Sebastian Panama, 4. Pilimi Felila, 5. Max Harper (C), 6. Ray Wilson, 7. Raymond Taufui, 8. Drew Denford, 9. Marcellous Rouse, 10. Matt Thomas, 11. Jacob Taylor, 12. Danny Wilson, 13. Chris Ebling, 14. Nick Vatovec, 15. Esau Taetuli

Shell Trophy (2nd Grade Colts)
Sydney University: 1. Conor O'Doherty, 2. James Widders-Leece, 3. Austin Black, 4. Benny Watt, 5. Thomas Willson, 6. Patrick O'Doherty, 7. Sean O'Byrne, 8. Hugh Summerhayes, 9. William Wennerbom, 10. Callum Styles, 11. Nathanial Tamwoy, 12. Harry Potter, 13. Daniel Calavassy, 14. Jaydon Fa'avae-eli, 15. Ethan Miller
West Harbour: 1. Jake Donaghy, 2. Anthony Nguyen, 3. Ben Huckstepp, 4. Tui Manoa, 5. Mark McDermott, 6. Shaun Marsh, 7. Luke Collins, 8. Matthias Tutunoa, 9. Ben Hayes, 10. Nathan Taweel, 11. Viliami Felila, 12. Haka Toitoi, 13. Kurt Kerrigan, 14. Anthony Mancuso, 15. Sione Lynch

Bill Simpson Shield (3rd Grade Colts)
Sydney University: 1. Lewis Oswald, 2. Langley Ammit, 3. Dane Stephens, 4. Brad Hauville, 5. Angus Chapman, 6. Sydney Malifa, 7. James Goddard, 8. Harrison Petkovich, 9. Anthony McDougall, 10. Daniel Poletto, 11. Unaloto Teisina, 12. Sean Hasegawa, 13. Tom McFadyen, 14. Harry Croker, 15. Connor Farnell
West Harbour: 1. Thomas Greville, 2. Lawrence Failla, 3. Simione Teekafa, 4. Albert Nawaqanitawase, 5. Taani Atiu, 6. Daniel Nappa, 7. Eli Gooding, 8. David Sale (C), 9. Tim Wilson, 10. McLean Rowley, 11. Masi Panapa, 12. Tyrelle Lavatai, 13. Semi Aviata, 14. Wilson Savage-Phillips, 15. Ben Vulaca

 

[Hugh Jarse]

Round 17 Colts Results​

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W. McMahon Memorial Shield (1st Grade Colts)
Randwick 67 Eastwood 14
Gordon 12 Manly 7
Parramatta 22 Northern Suburbs - 29 Deferred to Tuesday Night
Penrith 22 Southern Districts 17
Warringah 5 Eastern Suburbs 43
Sydney University 62 West Harbour 14

Shell Trophy (2nd Grade Colts)
Randwick 28 Eastwood 15
Gordon v Manly - Deferred to Tuesday
Parramatta 19 Northern Suburbs 34 - Deferred to Tuesday Night
Penrith 12 Southern Districts 83
Warringah 19 Eastern Suburbs 18
Sydney University 38 West Harbour 10

Bill Simpson Shield (3rd Grade Colts)
Randwick 36 Eastwood 12
Gordon 62 Manly 7 - Deferred to Tuesday Night
Parramatta 42 Northern Suburbs 14 - Deferred to Tuesday Night
Penrith 28 Southern Districts 22
Warringah 12 Eastern Suburbs 15
Sydney University 52 West Harbour 5

Round 18 Games - 16 July
Southern Districts v Eastern Suburbs
Eastwood v Gordon
Manly v Northern Suburbs
West Harbour v Penrith
Warringah v Randwick
Sydney University v Parramatta

 

[Hugh Jarse]

2016 Eric Spilsted Shield (Colts Club Championship) Table:
(after Round 17)

There are a maximum of 55 points available to a club each week, based on all 3 colts teams winning with a 4 try BP.

Sydney University, 849 points
Randwick, 768 points
Northern Suburbs, 655 points*
Gordon, 647 points*
Eastwood, 579 points
Eastern Suburbs, 541 points
Warringah, 455 points
Southern Districts, 450 points
Manly, 325 points*
Parramatta, 222 points*
West Harbour, 203 points
Penrith, 108 points

How the Colts Club Championship table is calculated.
The competition points from the individual competitions are multiplied by the following factors and then added together.
Colts 1 - 6
Colts 2 - 3
Colts 3 - 2

http://rugby.fusesport.com/rugby/results/external/summaryladder.asp?ladder=1168&OrgID=010100



* Results and points from M2B v Shoremen in Colts 1, Colts 2 & Colts 3, and Highlanders v MMM in Colts 3 added. Score from Highlanders v MMM in Colts 2 to come.

2016 Colts Club Champions
Sydney University have a lead of 81 over Randwick. Even if Sydney University lose all games without any bonus points and Randwick do the opposite, they can not lose the 2016 Colts Club Championship.

Randwick have sewn up the Silver Medal for 2016.

The race for 3rd will be close. Norths have another potential 55 points from deferred fixtures to make up which could place them on 665 meanwhile Gordon have a potential 25 points from deferred fixtures which could place them on 662 points going into round 18. Round 18 is Gordon v Woodies and Shoremen v MMM. No sure thing for both clubs.

 

[Hugh Jarse]

Colts 1 Finals Watch


Looking at the run home to see who the contenders are:
Sydney University 84 points. To come: Parramatta.
Randwick, 70 points. To come: Warringah.
Gordon, 66 points. To come: Eastwood.
Northern Suburbs, 55 points. To come: Parramatta, Manly.
Eastwood, 51 points. To come: Gordon.
Eastern Suburbs, 48 points. To come: Southern Districts.

Manly 46 points. To come: Northern Suburbs.

Warringah (39), Southern Districts (33), West Harbour (15), Parramatta (13)* and Penrith (10) are out of the running.

* 2 games to come

Using previous results and BP allocations (as fraught with danger that would be), as the results for Round 18, the finals contenders should be:
Sydney University 89 points.
Randwick, 75 points.
Gordon, 71 points.
Northern Suburbs, 64 points.
Eastern Suburbs, 53 points. (10 wins)
Eastwood, 53 points. (9 wins)

Sydney University can not be beaten for the Minor Premiership.

Rule 8.2
In the event of two or more Clubs being equal on Competition points at the conclusion of the minor premiership competition, the Minor Premiership or any position in the respective competition table will be finalised by applying the following sequence:
1. The most number of wins;
2. The least number of losses;
3. The highest positive difference between actual points scored ‘for’ and points scored ‘against’
4. The highest points scored ‘for
5. The highest number of tries
6. The least number of proven offences as determined by the judiciary for that grade in that season
7. If at the end of this process two teams are still equal a playoff shall be conducted prior to the commencement of the finals series

Finals Series
Week 1 QF
Game A - 1st v 6th
Game B - 2nd v 5th
Game C - 3rd v 4th

Week 2 SF
Game D Highest Ranked Winner v Highest Ranked Loser
Game E 2nd Ranked Winner v 3rd Ranked Winner

Week 3 Grand Final
Winner Game D v Winner Game E

 

[Hugh Jarse]

Colts 2 Finals Watch
Sydney University 71 points. To come: Parramatta.
Randwick, 70 points. To come: Warringah.
Northern Suburbs, 64 points. To come: Parramatta, Manly.
Gordon, 53 points. To come: Manly, Eastwood.
Eastwood, 51 points. To come: Gordon.
Warringah 51 points. To come: Randwick.

Eastern Suburbs, 49 points. To come: Southern Districts.
Southern Districts, 48 points. To come: Eastern Suburbs.


Parramatta (20)*, West Harbour (17), Manly (15)* and Penrith (0) are out of the running.

Using previous results and BP allocations (as fraught with danger that would be), as the results for Round 18, the Colts 2 finals contenders should be:
Sydney University 76 points.
Randwick, 75 points.
Northern Suburbs, 74 points.
Gordon, 58 points.
Eastwood, 56 points.
Eastern Suburbs, 54 points.

Warringah 51 points.
Southern Districts, 48 points.





Colts 3 Finals Watch
Randwick, 69 points. To come: Warringah.
Sydney University 66 points. To come: Parramatta.
Eastwood, 60 points. To come: Gordon.
Southern Districts, 54 points. To come: Eastern Suburbs.
Eastern Suburbs, 53 points. To come: Southern Districts.
Northern Suburbs, 44 points. To come: Parramatta, Manly.
Gordon, 41 points. To come: Manly, Eastwood.

Warringah (34), Parramatta (34)*, West Harbour (31), Penrith (24) and Manly (2)* are out of the running.

* Deferred game to come

Using previous results and BP allocations (as fraught with danger that would be), as the results for Round 18, the Colts 3 finals contenders should be:
Randwick, 74 points.
Sydney University 71 points.
Eastwood, 65 points.
Eastern Suburbs, 57 points.
Northern Suburbs, 54 points. (least no of losses)
Southern Districts, 54 points.

Gordon, 46 points.

 

[forwards4ever]

Colts Finals Watch

Finals Series
Week 1 QF
Game A - 1st v 6th
Game B - 2nd v 5th
Game C - 3rd v 4th

Week 2 SF
Game D Highest Ranked Winner v Highest Ranked Loser
Game E 2nd Ranked Winner v 3rd Ranked Winner

Week 3 Grand Final
Winner Game D v Winner Game E

Do we know where the finals will be?

 

[Hugh Jarse]

Grand Final, and most SF and QF will most likely be at Forshaw Park, Sylvania.

 

[couldabeen]

Penrith 22 Southern Districts 17 - Woo Hoo! Go the Emus.
They won in the 3rds as well.
I don't know the circumstances but that is something I have been hoping to see for may years.

 

[thepuma]

Penrith 22 Southern Districts 17 - Woo Hoo! Go the Emus.
They won in the 3rds as well.
I don't know the circumstances but that is something I have been hoping to see for may years.

Beware the sleeping giant!
Hard work paying off and plus morale boosted by some young talent stepping up in 3rds who got the win. 1sts have been competitive but have been their own worst enemy in some narrow losses. Even on the weekend having possession on half way and putting a kick though with 30 seconds left extending the game another 5 minutes to give SD a sniff.

 

[Eyes and Ears]

I wanted to ask about what was happening at Penrith. I had noticed that their 1st Colts team has had some good results against quality teams eg only 20 point loss to Uni particularly at a time of year when they often fall away.
What's been the success story this year? Are there players that can be retained for many years? Are they young and will do they even better in Colts next year?
Congrats on the win and a significantly better season.

 

[thepuma]

I wanted to ask about what was happening at Penrith. I had noticed that their 1st Colts team has had some good results against quality teams eg only 20 point loss to Uni particularly at a time of year when they often fall away.
What's been the success story this year? Are there players that can be retained for many years? Are they young and will do they even better in Colts next year?
Congrats on the win and a significantly better season.

Its a mixture of things I think. The return to fielding Junior reps in 2011 starting to pay dividends. A new generation of juniors and families coming through the junior clubs building relationships, working together and buying in, having a real connection to the Emus brand. I haven't been close enough to the Colts to offer an answer to all the questions but the wins on the weekend definitely helped strengthen those bonds moving forward.

 

[OldColt]

I've just been trawling through the thread on Player Points in an effort to find an explanation for a Colts player having no points recorded against his name - anybody able to enlighten me? I thought that even with the maximum discounts they'd have to have 1 point.

 

[Hugh Jarse]

^^^ I'd be very careful about reading too much into the team sheets on the web site, for anything related to the players. There are a few games where the individual tries scored and goals kicked don't add up to the score recorded.

Plenty of teams have apparently played games with only 14 or 13 players with no player recorded against one of the 15 starting places, and the bench players on the list that have never played in the vacant starting position.

Then there are players like a regular Colts 1 hooker who has spent half the season at 2 PP, and the other half they are a 4 point player. The points upgrade appears to have happened not long after their player points loading was queried on this very thread.

And one club in particular appears to be having problems entering any team sheet detail at all. Although some weeks, the Internet appears to be kind to said club evidenced by completion of Team sheet detail.

TL;DR the web site data can't be relied upon. Either the application is not user friendly with little or no data validation functionality, or the clubs CBF entering accurate data, possibly because managers haven't filled the sheets in properly.

Oh. You are right. The Comp rules do not allow a player to be discounted to lower than 1 point. A player can only be discounted by a maximum of 50% of their base points value. The minimum base points value is 2 points. With maximum discount applied, this player has a 1 PP value.

 

[OldColt]

^^^ I'd be very careful about reading too much into the team sheets on the web site, for anything related to the players. There are a few games where the individual tries scored and goals kicked don't add up to the score recorded.

Plenty of teams have apparently played games with only 14 or 13 players with no player recorded against one of the 15 starting places, and the bench players on the list that have never played in the vacant starting position.

Then there are players like a regular Colts 1 hooker who has spent half the season at 2 PP, and the other half they are a 4 point player. The points upgrade appears to have happened not long after their player points loading was queried on this very thread.

And one club in particular appears to be having problems entering any team sheet detail at all. Although some weeks, the Internet appears to be kind to said club evidenced by completion of Team sheet detail.

TL;DR the web site data can't be relied upon. Either the application is not user friendly with little or no data validation functionality, or the clubs CBF entering accurate data, possibly because managers haven't filled the sheets in properly.

Oh. You are right. The Comp rules do not allow a player to be discounted to lower than 1 point. A player can only be discounted by a maximum of 50% of their base points value. The minimum base points value is 2 points. With maximum discount applied, this player has a 1 PP value.

Thanks HJ - I was only curious because while I've seen on the web-site that a number of teams have struggled with player names, scores and player points over the course of the season, which is understandable. However, the team I was thinking of have consistently in the past few weeks listed a player as nil points (-) while at the same time attributing the correct points to most (but not always all) of the other players in the team. Interestingly, it seems to coincide with the team being close to the allowed team points limit, and if all players (incl reserves) had the correct points allocated to them they'd have been over the limit a couple of times. I seem to remember some discussion about this team's flexible approach to player points allocation earlier in the season.

 

[Hugh Jarse]

You got the grey matter going there @oldColt.

A quick scan reveals that it wasn't the usual suspects, nor in the usual grade.

It seems that you may be referring to a 2nd grade team located slightly NE of the club you are aligned with. It is not the same player each week that has a "-" Player Point score, but several players.
Round 1 - 30 declared points, 5 Players rated "-", BP Win, possibly over cap
Round 2 - 30 declared points, 2 Players rated "-" BP Win, probs under cap
Round 6 - 28 declared points, 2 Players rated "-", loss, almost certainly under cap
Round 8 - 29 declared points, 1 Player rated "-", BP Win, under cap
Round 9 - 32 declared points, 1 Players rated "-", loss, under cap
Round 10 - 34 declared points, 1 Players rated "-", BP Win, prob on cap
Round 11 - 25 declared points, 2 Players rated "-", Win, under cap
Round 13 - 29 declared points, 3 Players rated "-", loss, probs under cap
Round 14 - 32 declared points, 2 Players rated "-", Win, probs on cap
Round 15 - 35 declared points, 2 Players rated "-", BP loss, over cap
Round 16 - 34 declared points, 1 Player rated "-", loss, probs on cap
Round 17 - 35 declared points, 1 Player rated "-", BP Loss, over cap

Any loss of competition points would cause the offenders to drop one place on the ladder, and probably out of finals looking at the possible Round 18 results. With the club in question almost certain to get C1 & C3 in finals, it would also break the rule on continuous selection for the club at finals. This would prevent free movement of players between Colts 1 & Colts 3 (less Aust Schoolboys who can not play C3).

Wonder if anyone is going to do an audit?
It would seem to be of benefit to the Hobbits if this was to occur.

Well spotted @OldColt.
"In a two horse race always back self interest because at least you know it's trying" - Paul Keating

 

[the baz]

anyone know the results of the manly v gordon colts makeup games supposedly played last night?
I know norths lost in 3's to parra, and won in 2's and 1's

 

[OldColt]

You got the grey matter going there @oldColt.

A quick scan reveals that it wasn't the usual suspects, nor in the usual grade.

It seems that you may be referring to a 2nd grade team located slightly NE of the club you are aligned with. It is not the same player each week that has a "-" Player Point score, but several players.
Round 1 - 30 declared points, 5 Players rated "-", BP Win, possibly over cap
Round 2 - 30 declared points, 2 Players rated "-" BP Win, probs under cap
Round 6 - 28 declared points, 2 Players rated "-", loss, almost certainly under cap
Round 8 - 29 declared points, 1 Player rated "-", BP Win, under cap
Round 9 - 32 declared points, 1 Players rated "-", loss, under cap
Round 10 - 34 declared points, 1 Players rated "-", BP Win, prob on cap
Round 11 - 25 declared points, 2 Players rated "-", Win, under cap
Round 13 - 29 declared points, 3 Players rated "-", loss, probs under cap
Round 14 - 32 declared points, 2 Players rated "-", Win, probs on cap
Round 15 - 35 declared points, 2 Players rated "-", BP loss, over cap
Round 16 - 34 declared points, 1 Player rated "-", loss, probs on cap
Round 17 - 35 declared points, 1 Player rated "-", BP Loss, over cap

Any loss of competition points would cause the offenders to drop one place on the ladder, and probably out of finals looking at the possible Round 18 results. With the club in question almost certain to get C1 & C3 in finals, it would also break the rule on continuous selection for the club at finals. This would prevent free movement of players between Colts 1 & Colts 3 (less Aust Schoolboys who can not play C3).

Wonder if anyone is going to do an audit?
It would seem to be of benefit to the Hobbits if this was to occur.

Well spotted @OldColt.
"In a two horse race always back self interest because at least you know it's trying" - Paul Keating

Thanks HJ - you've done some damned fine work yourself!

To extend the theme of nefarious activity with PP somewhat, I looked back at some posts in April, where there was discussion of the 1sts Colts match between my club, and the club from slightly NE of us. If you recall, there was a question about the calling of uncontested scrums by our opposition, which, at the time, was thought to have been a tactic to avoid using reserves that would take them over the PP limit.

I posted at the time (see post #192 of this thread) that they had in fact exceeded the limit that day even with the two reserves they'd used, as both reserves had been incorrectly given 1 pt each, when they'd been given 2 pts in the earlier 2nds Colts match. Now, in trawling back through the player sheets, I see that the two reserves in question on that fateful day have had their PP adjusted downwards in the 2nds list to show 1 pt each (curious!!!) - funnily enough, though, whoever made, or requested, the change hasn't altered the listings for Rnds 1-3, in which these 2 players are still shown having 2 pts each (even curiouser!!)

Unfortunately, while this has been an interesting exercise for a slow lunch break, unless the competition overseers do something about it, the rorting of the PP system by certain clubs will continue unabated.

 

[Dingasden]

You should ask your club GM to query it with Matt Kellahan.