Sydney Colts 2012

[lily]

Norths 22 beat Uni 20.

 

[staedler]

Norths 22 beat Uni 20.

Surprised this hasn't garnered more of a response. Congrats to Norths

 

[Tahboy]

I see Penrith 2nd colts fft last week against Wests and have fft this week against Randwick
How can Penrith and Parramatta in the biggest area for young families only have 1 colts team between them?
This is crazy and why does this happen. Do Penrith and Parramatta care they cannot field colts and it's the same story every year
Do Penrith and Partamatta get the amount of $$ in grants from the ARU that the other clubs who are fielding the 7 teams every week
I think that everytime a club fft any match that clubs leading team loses the 5 completion points. Take the 5 points each week from parramatta 1st grade and I bet they will field 3 teams in colts

 

[I like to watch]

Where do they get these colts from?
It is not easy to start up junior clubs and teams without support from the ARU.
The League teams have massive numbers of juniors.These kids are not first generation League players, their fathers and grandfathers all played League, that is the natural choice if you live out there.
The AFL has an army of PAID development officers that is starting to get some traction.
What do Penrith Rugby have?
A bunch of enthusiastic volunteers whose primary aim is to run a senior football club.
So don't help them, just beat them with a stick because they are not meeting your KPI's.
BTW how many juniors are developed by Randwick and Easts for example? I have been to State Cup for a decade and can't remember either of these clubs having any/many junior teams.

 

[Tahboy]

My heart bleeds for parramatta and Penrith
If they can't meet the criteria to field 7 teams then don't play in that comp. doesn't matter what other clubs are doing they are meeting the criteria and how they do is there bussiness
Easts and Randwick have junior clubs and as are all clubs they are impacted by RL clubs. Easts and Randwick have to deal with the Roosters and Souths and to a lesser degree Sharks and Dragons and without taking a swipe at Uni we do have them as a next door club
The Eastern suburbs is not an area for young families so it is a struggle each year to maintain number but clubs who are fair dinkum work hard at getting and running colts and each year they constantly field 3 teams where Penrith and Parramatta do notand it's always something that gets raised before every season starts will Penrith and Parramatta have colts
I would never doubt volunteers efforts so I would suggest the management should get out and fix this issue
Did anyone from Penrith or parramatta go to Dubbo for the CHS trials? One of the biggest 3 days of schoolboy football with about 200 players
I saw Southern districts, Randwick , Uni out there and I think norths and Eastwood were there as well
Have Parramatta or Penrith started to think about colts next year?
I bet all the other clubs are getting active so don't blame the ARU or NSWRU.

 

[Iluvmyfooty]

My heart bleeds for parramatta and Penrith
If they can't meet the criteria to field 7 teams then don't play in that comp.

So using this logic goodbye Gordon

 

[I like to watch]

Tahboy,
What junior clubs do Randwick and East support and how many kids play under Randwick & Easts?
If Penrith & Parra chase the same pool of 18 year old kids as you suggest, it just moves the problem.
Why don't they just offer talented young colts a car if they sign up, as some clubs do.
Only the parasites are chasing 17 year old Schoolkids now and calling it development.
when the competition fields 1 less grade and 1 less colts side than it did previously, then one should look at the Governing bodies as to what their long term policies are on player development and retention.
How ironic that Gordon is struggling for numbers yet have one of the healthiest nurseries with the little ones.
It probably shows there is something wrong with the Shute Shield model in todays world.

 

[It is what it is]

Tahboy,
Cut
Only the parasites are chasing 17 year old Schoolkids now and calling it development.
Cut.

Are you having a crack at Sydney Uni here, because that is what they predominantly do?

 

[Hugh Jarse]

The conventional ARU wisdom is to start chasing at 15 years old with the JGS and NGS on the Pathway to Gold.

The support, long-term development and selection of our best young players in the U15-18 year age group is seen as a critical underpinning component of the plan to ensure Australia remains a dominant world rugby power.

Source: http://www.rugby.com.au/tryrugby/PathwaytoGold/Background.aspx

Before that there doesn't seem to be any actual development, just "identification"
Quotes from ARU website:http://www.rugby.com.au/tryrugby/Pa...am/TalentDiscoveryDaysTalentScoutNetwork.aspx

The Discovery Days will attract players in the 12-16 year age groups and through a schedule of education, testing, training and playing activities provide players the opportunity to showcase their talents.

Sydney Uni and others which start to develop talent at 17 year old level are simply following the structures set in place by the national body, albeit two years later than the national body in some instances.

Having stacks of kids running around ovals playing heavensgame in the Under 6's to Under 15's is not seen as "development". Guess those kids play for fun.

 

[Tahboy]

I know Gordon don't have a 3rd colts side this year which is surprising and I am sure some clubs will have difficult season but these are 1 off as against every year.
Randwick had a difficult year about 3 years ago and struggled to fill a 3rd colts side and I am sure all clubs have the odd difficult year but these are not the same year after year after year
I like to watch I would suggest you jump onto Easts and Randwick website and see what junior clubs they support
I believe Randwick support 4 or 5 clubs and East I think they have 1 or 2
I just struggle how parramatta and Penrith can only find 20 colts age players to play rugby. I repeat between both clubs they can only find 20 players, that's 10 payers each in an area how big ??
because the management can't find the time to get there colts in order other clubs have to deal with there players having to have weekends off when they want to play football.

 

[Iluvmyfooty]

maybe Parra and Penrith should play a combined Colts sides in the three colts grades

 

[southsider]

My heart bleeds for parramatta and Penrith
If they can't meet the criteria to field 7 teams then don't play in that comp. doesn't matter what other clubs are doing they are meeting the criteria and how they do is there bussiness
Easts and Randwick have junior clubs and as are all clubs they are impacted by RL clubs. Easts and Randwick have to deal with the Roosters and Souths and to a lesser degree Sharks and Dragons and without taking a swipe at Uni we do have them as a next door club
The Eastern suburbs is not an area for young families so it is a struggle each year to maintain number but clubs who are fair dinkum work hard at getting and running colts and each year they constantly field 3 teams where Penrith and Parramatta do notand it's always something that gets raised before every season starts will Penrith and Parramatta have colts
I would never doubt volunteers efforts so I would suggest the management should get out and fix this issue
Did anyone from Penrith or parramatta go to Dubbo for the CHS trials? One of the biggest 3 days of schoolboy football with about 200 players
I saw Southern districts, Randwick , Uni out there and I think norths and Eastwood were there as well
Have Parramatta or Penrith started to think about colts next year?
I bet all the other clubs are getting active so don't blame the ARU or NSWRU.

easts and randwick do have junior clubs but nobody plays for half of them! comming up through the junior ranks recently i only played against east wallaroos from easts (who lasted 3 years but foreited alot of games) and from randwick south coogee( who lasted 2 years but were gone by u14) coogee (half a season in 14's) and eastgardens (also only lasted 3 years and were gone by u14's) and my age group was one of the better ones!! in reps i never played a randwick or easts team but had parra in our division every year and had a penrith team once or twice

dont think league really has a impact, junior league in the area is pretty small, and easts and randwick live in a demographic that follows union more anyway.

as for colts easts randwick have three private school (scots, cranbrook and waverly within spitting distance) with alot of other private schools not far away, they are well set for colts no matter what, whereas penrith and parra, as others point out are in a league strong hold so it is in the culture to drift towards league....although i do agree with you that more has to be done to promote the game in the west and get up the numbers in colts

 

[Drew]

I'm pretty sure randwick was well represented at that state tournament held at Milner a while back, think the 17s made the final. In league terms they are in the same area as souths, who produce many quality first graders (Merritt, Reynolds, et cetera).

 

[MACCA]

easts and randwick do have junior clubs but nobody plays for half of them! comming up through the junior ranks recently i only played against east wallaroos from easts (who lasted 3 years but foreited alot of games) and from randwick south coogee( who lasted 2 years but were gone by u14) coogee (half a season in 14's) and eastgardens (also only lasted 3 years and were gone by u14's) and my age group was one of the better ones!! in reps i never played a randwick or easts team but had parra in our division every year and had a penrith team once or twice

dont think league really has a impact, junior league in the area is pretty small, and easts and randwick live in a demographic that follows union more anyway.

as for colts easts randwick have three private school (scots, cranbrook and waverly within spitting distance) with alot of other private schools not far away, they are well set for colts no matter what, whereas penrith and parra, as others point out are in a league strong hold so it is in the culture to drift towards league..although i do agree with you that more has to be done to promote the game in the west and get up the numbers in colts

there are some pretty wide sweeping and inaccurate comments on this thread.
Firstly, Parramatta and Penrith will struggle against league however should be encouraged as they will be rugby powerhouses eventually. The demographics favour league however there is a lot of good sportsman there. It a bit like trying to get AFL in these areas.
secondly, the Wicks are putting great effort into juniors. They have a tens tournament coming up and did well at the state championships, the colts have a lot of players

 

[Tahboy]

It's fine to say this and about juniors and schools and league
Facts are to play in Shute Shield you have to field 4 grade and 3 colts
Parramatta and Penrith have not done this for 10 or so years
Why do they play in this comp?
It's got nothing to do how randwick or Easts or Gordon go about there bussiness they consistently meet the criteria
At the very least clubs that don't field the necessary teams get there funding cut. The fact is Parramatta and Peneith don't care less if they don't have colts or forfeit games that is what pisses me off
How long are they to play the poor us card

 

[Drew]

How about getting to Granville, paying $10 on the door and then being told it's a fft? Another problem is that with the 2nd round system in place, teams like randwick and WH are starved of quality opposition and then have to play semis against the better teams. Then there's the question of points differential, I think randwick would've won by more than 28 if parra played.

 

[no9]

My heart bleeds for parramatta and Penrith
If they can't meet the criteria to field 7 teams then don't play in that comp. doesn't matter what other clubs are doing they are meeting the criteria and how they do is there bussiness
Easts and Randwick have junior clubs and as are all clubs they are impacted by RL clubs. Easts and Randwick have to deal with the Roosters and Souths and to a lesser degree Sharks and Dragons and without taking a swipe at Uni we do have them as a next door club
The Eastern suburbs is not an area for young families so it is a struggle each year to maintain number but clubs who are fair dinkum work hard at getting and running colts and each year they constantly field 3 teams where Penrith and Parramatta do notand it's always something that gets raised before every season starts will Penrith and Parramatta have colts
I would never doubt volunteers efforts so I would suggest the management should get out and fix this issue
Did anyone from Penrith or parramatta go to Dubbo for the CHS trials? One of the biggest 3 days of schoolboy football with about 200 players
I saw Southern districts, Randwick , Uni out there and I think norths and Eastwood were there as well
Have Parramatta or Penrith started to think about colts next year?
I bet all the other clubs are getting active so don't blame the ARU or NSWRU.

And what were the above mentioned clubs doing there? Perhaps enticing as many quality Western Sydney players as possible to play for their clubs by denigrading the efforts of the Western clubs and offering enticements like scholarships to exclusive private schools (16's). Peanuts like you won't be happy until it's a four team competition where the furthest west you have to travel is Sydney Uni and you wonder why rugby people smile when they are reminded of where Randwick are currently languishing. If you took 4 points of Parramatta each time their colts lost it still may not be enough to get Randwick into a semi final. It appears it's possible to be arrogant even when you are running last.

 

[Hugh Jarse]

No9, it won't be Randwick offering scholarships to exclusive private schools. They are nearly broke.

They weren't even able to pay ground rental at Coogee Oval last year IIRC. Their Licenced club is apparently in financial difficulties (like many other small community clubs).

Coming last in SS will not be helping their gate takings revenue to be able to pay ground rental this year either.

 

[southsider]

there are some pretty wide sweeping and inaccurate comments on this thread.
Firstly, Parramatta and Penrith will struggle against league however should be encouraged as they will be rugby powerhouses eventually. The demographics favour league however there is a lot of good sportsman there. It a bit like trying to get AFL in these areas.
secondly, the Wicks are putting great effort into juniors. They have a tens tournament coming up and did well at the state championships, the colts have a lot of players

sorry what part of my reply was inaccurate? (just assuming you meant mine as you qouted me)

 

[It is what it is]

And what were the above mentioned clubs doing there? Perhaps enticing as many quality Western Sydney players as possible to play for their clubs by denigrading the efforts of the Western clubs and offering enticements like scholarships to exclusive private schools (16's). Peanuts like you won't be happy until it's a four team competition where the furthest west you have to travel is Sydney Uni and you wonder why rugby people smile when they are reminded of where Randwick are currently languishing. If you took 4 points of Parramatta each time their colts lost it still may not be enough to get Randwick into a semi final. It appears it's possible to be arrogant even when you are running last.

This is a Colts thread and Randwick appear to be travelling pretty well in Colts re semi final qualification.
For many years Randwick's success has also had a strong correlation with Wallaby success.
Just relax a little No 9, no one is out to get Parra or Penrith, I think they're just after these clubs delivering teams to play against every week.