Super Rugby T-T R4 Brumbies vs Hurricanes
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Michael Lynagh (62)
Canes looked clueless against a proper defense. Reverted to SRAotearoa form when confronted with their first decent Aussie side of the season.
Bumbreeze not too flash though. Boring as shit really. White econovan rugby.
LOL@SuperHero Jordie. Rafts of missed tackles, speculative chip kicks gifting away possession, just biffing him teammates in the wood chipper time and time again. Then at the death he gets a chance to actually be the SuperHero..... and promptly fucks that up too.
THEN HE FUCKS IT UP AGAIN.
GOODBYE TO THE FINAL, SUPERSTAR.
Bumbreeze not too flash though. Boring as shit really. White econovan rugby.
LOL@SuperHero Jordie. Rafts of missed tackles, speculative chip kicks gifting away possession, just biffing him teammates in the wood chipper time and time again. Then at the death he gets a chance to actually be the SuperHero..... and promptly fucks that up too.
THEN HE FUCKS IT UP AGAIN.
GOODBYE TO THE FINAL, SUPERSTAR.
kiap
Steve Williams (59)
WTF was he thinking!
KOB1987
John Eales (66)
I know what Dave Rennie was thinking. It involves a red pen
Happy
Alex Ross (28)
Glad to get the win. Brumbies were the better team for most of the game but mistakes and some perplexing decisions made it closer than it should have been. The line out also suffered with Swain failing his hia and we ended up with a very short pack apart from Frost.
Barrett missing those kicks was only justice for the crowd braving the cold to support the team. It was good to finally have our first home game in TT.
Barrett missing those kicks was only justice for the crowd braving the cold to support the team. It was good to finally have our first home game in TT.
Rugbynutter39
Michael Lynagh (62)
I liked kuezenel tonight as well - he will be good pick up for force and looks much better player at 12 for me. Valetini got wallaby spot all sown up on that performance but also thought frost was immense. And to Tom Banks I apologise to have struggled to rate you as he has been playing good footy this year. And Stowers (one force let get away) was immense as was ikatau (other then his dumb moment to dive over try line unmarked then run it around to place next to goal posts).
zer0
John Thornett (49)
Alright former Canterbury rugby union football representative, Jordie Barrett. Be like that. Suddenly forget how to kick when the Evil Empire's final hopes are on the line. Fine. Whatever. I guess the Blues will just have to do it themselves and beat these Cantabistani bastards up in Auckland, then.
Rugbynutter39
Michael Lynagh (62)
Tom Banks in the post match interview “defence won us the game tonight”. Hmmm wonder if when we will hear this come from a tahs player post match
Slim 293
Stirling Mortlock (74)
I never really rated Kuenzle, but when he came on against the Chiefs he was really strong and direct......... I think 12 is going to be his position going forward.
Frost is definitely a future Wallaby - hopefully he can maintain his strong ball carrying as he matures.
Rugbynutter39
Michael Lynagh (62)
Simone reminding me why I never see him as a wallaby player
hifflepiff
Charlie Fox (21)
Tom Hooper was fucking excellent, haven't seen a 20 yr old tight 5 player so physically dominant in some time.
He and Valetini were crunching blokes all night.
He and Valetini were crunching blokes all night.
Simon.
Bob Loudon (25)
Jeez, never thought a win over a Kiwi team could leave me feeling so frustrated! I feel the Brumbies had them on the ropes for most of that match and should have won quite comfortably. I've rarely seen the Canes backline shut down so effectively.
Instead after Ikitau choosing a swan dive for the highlight reel over actually getting a kickable conversion, and countless missed opportunities, we're relying on a borderline knock on call and Jordie Barrett missing two very kickable penalties in the last 4 minutes. Not something I ever want to be relying on happening again.
Still, a win's a win. Well done Brumbies. It's been a pretty depressing SRTT but I'm glad we're playing Kiwi teams again, we've got some pretty bad habits entrenched the last couple of years and this seems to be the best way to get out of them.
Instead after Ikitau choosing a swan dive for the highlight reel over actually getting a kickable conversion, and countless missed opportunities, we're relying on a borderline knock on call and Jordie Barrett missing two very kickable penalties in the last 4 minutes. Not something I ever want to be relying on happening again.
Still, a win's a win. Well done Brumbies. It's been a pretty depressing SRTT but I'm glad we're playing Kiwi teams again, we've got some pretty bad habits entrenched the last couple of years and this seems to be the best way to get out of them.
Brumby Runner
Jason Little (69)
Not sure I agree, but anyway Lonergan's impact around the ground is much higher than FFs. Often gets over the gain line and has a much better tackling technique.
Brumby Runner
Jason Little (69)
That last penalty highlights a real annoyance I have with the current tranche of referees and which I posted on another thread only a couple of days ago.
Harry Lloyd definitely did not support his own weight and it was an infringement sealing off the ball, but the same thing happened on numerous occasions throughout the match without being penalised. Come the last few minutes and the ref's call has a direct impact on the outcome of the game. Only JB's failure to convert saved the game for the Brumbies.
If something is an infringement, then referee the bloody thing right throughout a game you muppets. Do not leave it to a critical moment where it happens to look a lot like bias/favouritism coming into play.
Harry Lloyd definitely did not support his own weight and it was an infringement sealing off the ball, but the same thing happened on numerous occasions throughout the match without being penalised. Come the last few minutes and the ref's call has a direct impact on the outcome of the game. Only JB's failure to convert saved the game for the Brumbies.
If something is an infringement, then referee the bloody thing right throughout a game you muppets. Do not leave it to a critical moment where it happens to look a lot like bias/favouritism coming into play.
TSR
Andrew Slack (58)
I understand your point BR and largely agree.
At the same time I am prepared to play devils advocate. There are several issues with the ref pulling up every technical break down penalty -
- players do modify their behaviour, but modern coaching is all about exploiting or bending the rules. So when we solve one problem we’d almost certainly create another
- generally speaking fans blame the refs, not the players, for high penalty counts. People turn off and complain that the game is too stop start. You’d think that if refs had a crack down then teams would adapt and the flow of the game would return in a short while. But that doesn’t ever seem to be the way it happens. So, based on that, I’d suggest fans actually don’t want every penalty called. Normally only the one’s committed against our team.
So I am prepared the accept some leniency at times. The question is in the balance between consistency and letting the game flow. In that respect I think it’s like driving without your seat belt or speeding. You aren’t going to get caught every time, but when you do there is no use complaining that someone else was speeding too and there are some times/places - ie school zones - that you should realise are higher risk.
Harry Lloyd should have been aware that refs always police sealing off more closely at the end of the game when a team is trying to close a game out. He was significantly more likely to be called for it then compared to at pretty much any other time in the game. He should have also been aware that they were well within Barrett’s kicking range and that a penalty was enough to lose the game. And, knowing these things, he needed to not give the ref the opportunity to penalise him.
Morgan Turinui made the comment in the first half that the Brumbies gave away a penalty when it was a good time to give away a penalty. That is game management and all teams do it. But Harry’s at the end was poor decision making on his part and he should beware of the risk.
At the same time I am prepared to play devils advocate. There are several issues with the ref pulling up every technical break down penalty -
- players do modify their behaviour, but modern coaching is all about exploiting or bending the rules. So when we solve one problem we’d almost certainly create another
- generally speaking fans blame the refs, not the players, for high penalty counts. People turn off and complain that the game is too stop start. You’d think that if refs had a crack down then teams would adapt and the flow of the game would return in a short while. But that doesn’t ever seem to be the way it happens. So, based on that, I’d suggest fans actually don’t want every penalty called. Normally only the one’s committed against our team.
So I am prepared the accept some leniency at times. The question is in the balance between consistency and letting the game flow. In that respect I think it’s like driving without your seat belt or speeding. You aren’t going to get caught every time, but when you do there is no use complaining that someone else was speeding too and there are some times/places - ie school zones - that you should realise are higher risk.
Harry Lloyd should have been aware that refs always police sealing off more closely at the end of the game when a team is trying to close a game out. He was significantly more likely to be called for it then compared to at pretty much any other time in the game. He should have also been aware that they were well within Barrett’s kicking range and that a penalty was enough to lose the game. And, knowing these things, he needed to not give the ref the opportunity to penalise him.
Morgan Turinui made the comment in the first half that the Brumbies gave away a penalty when it was a good time to give away a penalty. That is game management and all teams do it. But Harry’s at the end was poor decision making on his part and he should beware of the risk.
FairWeatherAussie
Ted Fahey (11)
i think it has been a refereeing directive for quite some years. As soon as a team tries run down the clock, they have to do it perfectly, as even the smallest infringement will pinged.
FairWeatherAussie
Ted Fahey (11)
I can understand and even agree with the logic behind it. The game should be played for 80+ minutes, and cynically trying to run down the last few minutes is a semi-penalisable offence, ie. the slightest indiscretion will be penalised.
waiopehu oldboy
George Smith (75)
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