Super Rugby Rd 2: Rebels v Hurricanes

[Rebel man]

Not arguing it was wrong etc, was saying I didn't think he was threatening to kill him is all. As I said I used similar with son etc, and he never thought it was a threat to kill. But if any of you did was when you were threatening to kill someone, that is up to you. I really hoping there not a full hearing with lawyers etc, I would be disappointed if we have to have published what was said, just doesn't help the game.

He fucked up and now has to face his punishment. “The heat of the moment” is a cop out. In life we all do things in the heat of the moment yet still have to face the consequences

 

[dru]

I may be in the minority but, while I think he shouldn’t have done it, i think too much is being made of it. I don’t think it should’ve been a red and don’t think he should get suspended. Won’t be the first person who does something silly in the heat of the moment.

I actually thought the reckless way he threw Gordon to the ground was worse form as it could have resulted in injury.

YEs, I agree, too much is being made of it. An apology was a good response, though not an absolution. The citing is understandable. Why don't we let the judiciary work it through?

 

[Rebel man]

If I was the Canes coach I would have stripped Ardie of the captaincy

 

[Dctarget]

If I was the Canes coach I would have stripped Ardie of the captaincy

Should retrospectively forfeit the match too me thinks

 

[Rebel man]

I may be in the minority but, while I think he shouldn’t have done it, i think too much is being made of it. I don’t think it should’ve been a red and don’t think he should get suspended. Won’t be the first person who does something silly in the heat of the moment.

I actually thought the reckless way he threw Gordon to the ground was worse form as it could have resulted in injury.

It is a clear violation of the rules. Just walk off, if you don’t come down on players trying to escalate a fight once they have been yellowed them you have lost control of the game. The blokes a grub and the actions reflect poorly on his character as a man

 

[Rebel man]

Should retrospectively forfeit the match too me thinks

True. As someone who has coached junior sport if my captain did that then he would no longer be my captain

 

[RugbyReg]

Unfortunately it’s more than just the throat slitting. It was all the carry on around it. He argued the decision and had a little hissy fit as he took his time getting off the field.

 

[TSR]

It is a clear violation of the rules. Just walk off, if you don’t come down on players trying to escalate a fight once they have been yellowed them you have lost control of the game. The blokes a grub and the actions reflect poorly on his character as a man

I’m sorry. I’m not going to start judging the character of Ardie Savea on one incident - even if it was poor on his part.
Maybe my memory is failing me but to my recollection he has always played very hard but very fair. That doesn’t absolve him here and the outcome will be what it will be,’but it doesn’t suddenly make Ardie a thug.

 

[TSR]

Unfortunately it’s more than just the throat slitting. It was all the carry on around it. He argued the decision and had a little hissy fit as he took his time getting off the field.

I agree. To me the gesture was not the issue. As above the reckless way he grabbed Gordon and threw him out is and issue and then he appeared to want to go on with it with several other players after being sent. Those things I do have an issue with.

It looked like Alex Mafi handled it pretty well.

 

[Running_rugby_1954]

I’m sorry. I’m not going to start judging the character of Ardie Savea on one incident - even if it was poor on his part.
Maybe my memory is failing me but to my recollection he has always played very hard but very fair. That doesn’t absolve him here and the outcome will be what it will be,’but it doesn’t suddenly make Ardie a thug.

One poor action can change people’s lives forever and with it, reputation.

 

[TSR]

One poor action can change people’s lives forever and with it, reputation.

Yeah - it can. But I don’t personally think what Ardie did is even remotely in that level.

When we talk about player welfare what he did do Carter Gordon was far more reckless and stupid then his hand gesture - and even that I think is a massive overreaction to say we should suddenly consider Ardie a thug.

 

[Dan54]

One poor action can change people’s lives forever and with it, reputation.

Look remain calm, do you recall a certain incident in a test last year? In what appeared to be a very serious attempt to cause injury to a another player, who cannot still play al.ost a year later, resulted in a 4 week ban or something? This although not good is not even a 10th as bad, of course the difference is the country of player.

 

[Merrow]

Look remain calm, do you recall a certain incident in a test last year? In what appeared to be a very serious attempt to cause injury to an another player, who cannot still play al.ost a year later, resulted in a 4 week ban or something? This although not good is not even a 10th as bad, of course the difference is the country of player.

It was an accident Dan. Give it up mate

 

[Dctarget]

Look remain calm, do you recall a certain incident in a test last year? In what appeared to be a very serious attempt to cause injury to a another player, who cannot still play al.ost a year later, resulted in a 4 week ban or something? This although not good is not even a 10th as bad, of course the difference is the country of player.

And Darcy's reputation has rightfully been tarnished for his career now. He would be in most fans' top 3 rugby villains. Your false equivalence doesn't work as well as you think

 

[Dan54]

And Darcy's reputation has rightfully been tarnished for his career now. He would be in most fans' top 3 rugby villains. Your false equivalence doesn't work as well as you think

Well it does really, but really that's not point etc, just suggesting that some are going over the top a little.

 

[Marce]

Hardwick & Ioane aren’t eligible

I would prefer to spend some money on Louis Lynagh, who didnt play for England yet than waste on Ioane

 

[Running_rugby_1954]

And Darcy's reputation has rightfully been tarnished for his career now. He would be in most fans' top 3 rugby villains. Your false equivalence doesn't work as well as you think

This would be my reply too.

Darcy Swain has rightfully had his reputation damaged as a result. Ardie threatened to kill someone, so I imagine your outcry will be just as passionate.

 

[Dctarget]

I would prefer to spend some money on Louis Lynagh, who didnt play for England yet than waste on Ioane

Shame Louis is English, lives in England where his family and friends are and wants to play for England. Then Monty is from Melbourne, with kids and a wife and parents in Melbourne and wants to play in Melbourne.

Apart from that I agree with you.

 

[Dan54]

Anyway back to more important stuff, were Canes poor, or were Rebels better than expected? Thought maybe a combination of both, but leaning towards the credit going Rebels way.

 

[Drew]

Rebels kept coming at the Canes. Carter Gordon played with attacking intent. Their performance was a welcome surprise