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Stirling Mortlock

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Scotty

David Codey (61)
He must surely be the slowest winger in professional rugby in the world. It seems ridiculous that in a few seasons he has gone from the top (or equal top) 13 in world rugby to playing behind Tyrone Smith at the Brumbies. It isn't even AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) that he is playing behind FFS!

On that note, does anyone think like me that Deans and Friend (as well as previous Brumby coaches) have done AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) a disservice by playing him in so many different positions and not allowing him to settle. I believe he has the ability to become one of the top 13 in the world, but he never gets the chance to prove it.
 

Lindommer

Simon Poidevin (60)
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Those who're predicting Morty's demise are probably right, and if I was the Ponies' coach I'd have AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) at 13, his best position. For me his magnificent perfomance against the BaaBaas last year showed us he can play 12 as well. And where's he playing this week? 15, admittedly due to an injury to Gerrard and a lot of shuffling and stuffing of five blokes into various backline positions; to be fair to Friend I don't think there's anyone else who can play fullback.

AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) has the potential to be a top notch outside centre and should be given a long run at it.
 

Gagger

Nick Farr-Jones (63)
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I may be in the demise predictor camp but I still reckon we'll be watching him in the G&G this year

Too many caps and Kiwis cant tackle him
 
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Spook

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AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) would be playing 13 if the Brumbies had other decent and non-injured wings/fullbacks. Problems is getting the best 15 on the pitch means AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) needs to go to another position. I think he is a great 13 as well.
 

Lindommer

Simon Poidevin (60)
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Mark Ella has noticed Morty's declining standards. From The Australian last week.

A bridge too far for Mortlock
IS this the beginning of the end for Stirling Mortlock?

I am the last person who wants to contemplate the possibility of watching the Wallabies this year without their inspirational captain leading them. But after being named on the wing for the Brumbies in tonight's important match with the Reds in Brisbane, it appears the writing is on the wall for Mortlock. Brumbies coach Andy Friend tried to spin a positive line when he was quoted this week as stating that Mortlock has played some of his best rugby this year on the wing, which in plain rugby speak means he is simply not happy with his form at outside centre. And after the embarrassing 56-7 loss to the Hurricanes in Wellington, Friend has reasonable grounds for concern, especially when you consider that the Brumbies were smashed out wide. I feel for Mortlock who wanted to go head to head with Reds centre Digby Ioane and prove his value for the Brumbies and the Wallabies. But the coach has spoken.

Mortlock's form this year has been quiet by his high standards and he has not been the dominant presence we are used to. He first represented the Wallabies against Argentina in 2000 and now, at 32, one would think that his time is coming to an end. I know he wants to play in the next World Cup in New Zealand in 2011 but if he is struggling to find form now, he will find it harder to keep up with the next generation of players and he may be forced to re-examine his priorities. Mortlock has played 76 times for Australia, 25 as captain over the past three seasons which is an enormous honour. But how long can he carry on is the question.

Many critics have praised his performance and leadership in the past couple of years, especially when Wallabies coach Robbie Deans experimented by moving Mortlock to inside centre which in my opinion didn't work. Apart from the odd Test match in 2008, I thought the Wallabies played without any flair and or excitement and on occasions lacked imagination. As captain, Mortlock didn't lift the Wallabies to any great heights, although to be fair it was the beginning of a new era for Australian rugby under Deans and it wasn't his fault that the results weren't that inspiring. I have no doubt Deans will do the right thing and stick with Mortlock as captain when the Wallabies team is selected after the Super 14 competition is over, particularly for their pre-Tri-Nations matches against the Barbarians, Italy and France.

But the time will come sooner than later for Deans to consider the future and whether he can afford to carry senior players since Australian rugby is blessed with an abundance of young talent at the moment. It is in the best interests of Australian rugby and Deans to invest in the future. If this is the case, I can't see Mortlock playing a big part for much longer. If it is the case then the quandary for Deans is who would replace Mortlock at outside centre and who would become the next captain. There are a number of potential candidates for the coveted No13 jersey. And the first in line is Ryan Cross, from the Western Force, who deserves more playing time at the highest level. Of course, the in-form outside centre for Australia's Super 14 teams has been the Reds' Ioane who was plucked from the wing by coach Phil Mooney and has the enthusiasm to make the most of the position. Also, we shouldn't forget the qualities of Adam Ashley-Cooper, whose preferred position is outside centre, and the up and coming Rob Horne from the Waratahs and Tyrone Smith from the Brumbies, who will get better with more game time.

The biggest consideration for Deans this year or next is the captaincy. The next captain after Mortlock should obviously be a first-choice player with enough youth on his side to save choosing leaders every couple of years. There are not too many Wallabies that fit this criteria, with the two most likely candidates being five-eighth Matt Giteau and hooker Stephen Moore. Giteau has the experience and personality to lead the Wallabies into the next World Cup with Moore being a very capable vice-captain.

I hope Mortlock has a great game tonight and that he continues to thrill rugby fans across Australia with his robust play. But the time is nigh and, like all good things in life, nothing lasts forever. And I wish Mortlock well if it is only for this season or even next year, but 2011 I fear will be beyond the reach of even one of our greatest outside centres.
 
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Spook

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You can never write off a champion. Morty is the biggest points scorer in S14 history - and completely deserves the title. :salute
 

cyclopath

George Smith (75)
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He had a big 2nd half - well done. Still, another head knock. Needs to look after the melon a bit.
 

disco

Chilla Wilson (44)
Yeah Mortlock changed the game last saturday, he showed he is still the man. Once he got involved the Brumbies lifted big time even the Blues big names like Rockococo, Toeava & Co couldn't go with him when he stepped it up a level.
 

Biffo

Ken Catchpole (46)
Admitted that Ashley-Cooper has been playing in mixed positions this year but just what has he shown to justify Wallaby selection, if form is the sole criterion. To my eye, he's been less than ordinary.
 

cyclopath

George Smith (75)
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Biffo said:
Admitted that Ashley-Cooper has been playing in mixed positions this year but just what has he shown to justify Wallaby selection, if form is the sole criterion. To my eye, he's been less than ordinary.
Hypo-ordinary, in fact!
 

Biffo

Ken Catchpole (46)
cyclopath said:
Biffo said:
Admitted that Ashley-Cooper has been playing in mixed positions this year but just what has he shown to justify Wallaby selection, if form is the sole criterion. To my eye, he's been less than ordinary.
Hypo-ordinary, in fact!

:) Can we agree on hyper sub-ordinary?

The queue for outside centre ahead of Ashley-Cooper right now should include (in alphabetical order) Cross, Horne, Ioane, Mortlock and Tahu. Adam, son, get some sprint training, pdq.

Cue Spook :)
 
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Spook

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Biffo said:
cyclopath said:
Biffo said:
Admitted that Ashley-Cooper has been playing in mixed positions this year but just what has he shown to justify Wallaby selection, if form is the sole criterion. To my eye, he's been less than ordinary.
Hypo-ordinary, in fact!

:) Can we agree on hyper sub-ordinary?

The queue for outside centre ahead of Ashley-Cooper right now should include (in alphabetical order) Cross, Horne, Ioane, Mortlock and Tahu. Adam, son, get some sprint training, pdq.

Cue Spook :)

AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) is world class. Mortlock is world class. Simple really :thumb. Anyone recall AACs tries against the All Blacks..and his performance at 12 for the Wallabies against the Baa Bas. World class. Ioane is red hot as well. These 3 players are the best line breakers in Australia.

Who is Horne and what has he done this year? :fishing Scored a try in round 1...but has done what since? Tahu...2 good S14 games in 2 years. :-[
 

Scotty

David Codey (61)
The queue for outside centre ahead of Ashley-Cooper right now should include (in alphabetical order) Cross, Horne, Ioane, Mortlock and Tahu. Adam, son, get some sprint training, pdq.

That is going waaaay too far.
 

Biffo

Ken Catchpole (46)
Admitted that Ashley-Cooper has been playing in mixed positions this year but just what has he shown to justify Wallaby selection, if form is the sole criterion. To my eye, he's been less than ordinary.

That was my original question, Spookie. Opinion, please.
 

fatprop

George Gregan (70)
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Scotty said:
The queue for outside centre ahead of Ashley-Cooper right now should include (in alphabetical order) Cross, Horne, Ioane, Mortlock and Tahu. Adam, son, get some sprint training, pdq.

That is going waaaay too far.

Tahu has now played more decent games than Horne this season.
 

cyclopath

George Smith (75)
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Like it or not, Deans has shown an interest in Tahu. IMO he has been chopped and changed too much to allow him to "learn" how to play a position, and 13 seems to be his best fit. Obviously learning the defensive patterns of 13 is hard, and he struggled at Test level last year in this way. He and Cross have that ability to break the line and offload well. I think he'll be in. I think he'll be far more dangerous with Giteau / Barnes inside (theoretically) than with Beale / Carter which he's had a bit of.
AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) - I will not deny he has talent, and of course we all remember that try against the ABs. I remember Mitchell looking good in his early tests too. This season AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) has not been stellar. Again, not served well by being chopped and changed around. He isn't a good 15, he can play wing, but others probably do it better. The line of 13s is long, and so on form in that position this year he is down the pecking order.
BUT, he will be in the squad purely for his versatility and potential "x"-factor.
Horne won't, I suspect.
 
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