Stephen Jones: Lawrence was shite

[Ash]

Yeah, Mark Lawrence is generally one of the better refs going around. Has the occasional bad game, but is generally pretty good.

Bryce Lawrence, though, is appalling. I shudder everytime I see him name on a game I an interested in. He's been one of the bottom refs for the past two years, making the Australian refs look great in comparison.

 

[Jets]

I thought he was very ordinary last night. Only policed one team at the breakdown. There were a couple of occasions where the English entered the ruck from the wrong side and he would penalise Australia for not going through the gate or very marginal calls. The second half was much better but still not up to test match standard.

On another point I also think that Australia are the most honest team in world rugby. They seem to want to do everything by the letter of the law. SA and NZ push the refs and get away with it (fair play to them for this) and Australia just continues doing what they do.

Also the ref never seems to be questioned over his decisions. Every other team will at least put up an argument as to why the ref made the wrong decision. Rocky needs to manage the ref a lot better (while not going as far as Gregan used to)

 

[Pfitzy]

On another point I also think that Australia are the most honest team in world rugby. They seem to want to do everything by the letter of the law. SA and NZ push the refs and get away with it (fair play to them for this) and Australia just continues doing what they do.

In other words, we should stop being pussies and see how far we can push it. Start out clean as a whistle then start tinkering...

 

[TOCC]

I thought he was very ordinary last night. Only policed one team at the breakdown. There were a couple of occasions where the English entered the ruck from the wrong side and he would penalise Australia for not going through the gate or very marginal calls. The second half was much better but still not up to test match standard.

On another point I also think that Australia are the most honest team in world rugby. They seem to want to do everything by the letter of the law. SA and NZ push the refs and get away with it (fair play to them for this) and Australia just continues doing what they do.

Also the ref never seems to be questioned over his decisions. Every other team will at least put up an argument as to why the ref made the wrong decision. Rocky needs to manage the ref a lot better (while not going as far as Gregan used to)

i dont think we are honest, i think we are just really really shit at cheating

 

[Gagger]

Brycie was the only thing keeping them in the game in the first half with his fucktard penalties in their red zone. You wanna know why modern rugby is suffering? Dickwads like this. Without him we woulda landed at least another try in the first half, and this game would most probably have opened up more.

As for his 'impartiality': I was listening to his mic feed through reflink and it was very interesting. At any stoppage in play he would walk over to the poms and start having a chat. At one stage he actually said to Moody, unprompted
"I'm really emprussed with you on the ground, you're releasing when you're not holding you're weight. It's really excllnt"

Yes Moody had a good game, and yes Rocky needs to get this sorted, but it's pretty hard to get a dialogue going with a ref who's deliberatley standing 20 yards away yakking with the oppo.

 

[chief]

I really think the IRB needs to take a serious stance on this. The refs this year have been shit. Call be biast, but I actually think Stu Dicky had a cracker of a match in the B&I Lions final game. its just shit really it is.

 

[cyclopath]

Brycie was the only thing keeping them in the game in the first half with his fucktard penalties in their red zone. You wanna know why modern rugby is suffering? Dickwads like this. Without him we woulda landed at least another try in the first half, and this game would most probably have opened up more.

As for his 'impartiality': I was listening to his mic feed through reflink and it was very interesting. At any stoppage in play he would walk over to the poms and start having a chat. At one stage he actually said to Moody, unprompted
"I'm really emprussed with you on the ground, you're releasing when you're not holding you're weight. It's really excllnt"

Yes Moody had a good game, and yes Rocky needs to get this sorted, but it's pretty hard to get a dialogue going with a ref who's deliberatley standing 20 yards away yakking with the oppo.

In and of itself I have no real problem with him saying that to Moody - if he's been in their ear about what he wants, and they are doing it, then fair enough to feed that back. But being overly "chummy" with one side aint on.
I have more problem with players going up to the ref and congratulating them on a decision they like - Borthwick did it a couple of times last night. Bit crawly-bum-lick to quote Rik from the Young Ones.

 

[Scarfman]

Refs have to shower in the home changing room.

 

[Epi]

Brycie was the only thing keeping them in the game in the first half with his fucktard penalties in their red zone. You wanna know why modern rugby is suffering? Dickwads like this. Without him we woulda landed at least another try in the first half, and this game would most probably have opened up more.

As for his 'impartiality': I was listening to his mic feed through reflink and it was very interesting. At any stoppage in play he would walk over to the poms and start having a chat. At one stage he actually said to Moody, unprompted
"I'm really emprussed with you on the ground, you're releasing when you're not holding you're weight. It's really excllnt"

Ahh FUCK this shits me. Why is the officialdom of Rugby Union so far behind what other professional sports would consider acceptable?
:angryfire: :angryfire: :angryfire:

 

[PaarlBok]

Boet your refs dont feature anywhere on the IRB rankings. Anyway Stephen Jones sound like a sour grape loser, ne Doc? :yay

 

[BillyWebb]

I thought Bryce Lawrence was poor in the first 30 minutes.
His calls at the breakdown seemed focused against the guys in gold.

To his credit though, I thought he did start recognizing that their was another team on the paddock too after the halfhour mark and from there he was ok.

 

[Biffo]

I thought Bryce Lawrence was poor in the first 30 minutes.
His calls at the breakdown seemed focused against the guys in gold.

To his credit though, I thought he did start recognizing that their was another team on the paddock too after the halfhour mark and from there he was ok.

Agreed.

 

[James Buchanan]

I thought Bryce Lawrence was poor in the first 30 minutes.
His calls at the breakdown seemed focused against the guys in gold.

To his credit though, I thought he did start recognizing that their was another team on the paddock too after the halfhour mark and from there he was ok.

I think a good deal of that was that the Wallabies were able to adapt to how he wanted the game played. Which also took a lot of sting out of the breakdown contest, but hey... its indicative of good discipline on the part of the Aussies.

 

[PaarlBok]

Myself thought the Wallabies had more players cleaning out rucks in the second half. :nta:

 

[James Buchanan]

Myself thought the Wallabies had more players cleaning out rucks in the second half. :nta:

I'll give it another look when I've gotten my hands on the replay. That was just my impression when I was watching it the other night.

FWIW, I believe Rocky said much to the effect of what I've suggested after the game.

 

[PaarlBok]

The thing about Bryce was that he penalize holding on to the pill. If you dont have clearers of the ruck, you'll end up most times with penalties against you. The law is now that the tackler can poach as long as he stays on his feet and I thought he blew that quite well. I like this one and not many refs blow like that. The only way to stop them is to clean the fecthers. The Poms did it well in the first half but once your lot start cleaning and committing to the rucks the tide change your way.

 

[Thomond78]

Boet your refs dont feature anywhere on the IRB rankings. Anyway Stephen Jones sound like a sour grape loser, ne Doc? :yay

Ours do; and Bryce Lawrence wouldn't be left ref a J2 game here.

He's simply appalling, and has been consistently heroically shite all year. He should not be on the international panel. End of discussion.

He's also weak; he apparently went up to Vickery after the third Lions test to say how awfully bad he, Lawrence, felt about getting the scrums wrong in the first Lions test. Vickery, rightly, told him it was a bit bloody late now and he could tell his story walking.

 

[PaarlBok]

I know your love relationship for Lawrense after the BIL tour.

Oom Paarl look past the person and look to the way he reffed on the day. Sometimes wrong , sometimes right. Just my personal opinion on the day and I like refs that actually leave the rucks going into some hard core (learn this brand new word from NTA) fighting for the pill.

 

[chief]

Lawrence was shocking in the B&I Lions tour. He was an embarrassment to game. Failing to recommend a red card for the eye gouge incident. The first test he refereed was an utter joke it was worse then Mark Lawrence's performance last week. I don't think he even tried to combat it by having a chat telling them to cut it out. I really think he has to go. I honestly think that he would struggle to be a premier grade rugby referee here in Brisbane. I doubt he'd even be first grade referee if he didn't have daddy behind his shoulders.

 

[PaarlBok]

No way he can impress Chiefy, to much personal stuff in that post. :nta: