SRP (Super Rugby Pacific) 2023 General Chat

[zer0]

NFL teams are certainly outliers, and I don't think rugby will ever end up with the position specific coaches, like a prop coach, lock coach, midfield coach, etc... as the sport is far too dynamic for that. Closest I could see to that could might be a 'play maker' coach for the 9/10/15 positions (i.e. the ones who direct the attack) if things evolve down the line of the sophisticated Irish attack. But even then, that would probably just come under the purview of the overall attack coach.

But the accelerated development in specialist coaches for the set piece and breakdown (i.e. common events + highly technical) and skills coaches (highly technical + cover the whole team) seems likely. They're areas where small details can certainly lead to big performance gains.

 

[LeCheese]

Sadly you're right. Have you ever seen the entourage the Australian Cricket team use to travel with. 40 people warming up out there with only 11 players.

I believe it was scaled back due to cost and also the dilution of the team environment. NFL teams are an outlier with 48 players active for each game and the absurd money spent on that product.

A lot of the personnel travelling with Cricket Aus are on the commercial side to be fair - I've had dealings with them for a number of summers, and there's easily 10+ people on-site facilitating events, marketing, corporate partners, etc. A massive operation, but understandable when you see the amount going on behind the scenes, particularly for Tests.

 

[Dan54]

Well some teams I have read have backs coach, defence coach, defence to attack coach etc covering every possibilty.
I don't watch NFL as it hardly ever moves, but for some reason this year I saw a bit of college football (and I think it was 3rd tier colleges) and actually watched and enjoyed a bit as they weren't too structured and didn't seem to have a heap of coaches with each team I thought maybe reason, could see kids actually trying running etc.
Even the Women's WC last year was great, because I had impression the women hadn't had years of coaching in every little detail and so could make the odd mistake and just play?

 

[Jimmy_Crouch]

Haven't really seen much of Feeney as a coach WOB, but one or 2 Aucks supporters seemed to be on his wagon on another forum.

I still think we have too many coaches in these teams, I still think a head coach, back and forward coach should be enough. Christ 3 back coaches and 2 forward coaches as well as a head coach is overloading them with too much I think, and we wonder why players don't play 'off the cuff' enough anymore?

(Lol my little rant for the day)

Chiefs have bulk money to spend on coaching now that Wazza is back in Wales.

 

[The Ghost of Raelene]

A lot of the personnel travelling with Cricket Aus are on the commercial side to be fair - I've had dealings with them for a number of summers, and there's easily 10+ people on-site facilitating events, marketing, corporate partners, etc. A massive operation, but understandable when you see the amount going on behind the scenes, particularly for Tests.

That's fair. I know it has reduced over the last 5 years back to what's required but there was a time some players had their own physio....could argue the Wallabies could have used this tbf.

 

[RugbyReg]

Suntory have quite the staff.

 

[Wilson]

Suntory have quite the staff.

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Hopefully Eddie brings a few of them with him, Sungoliath Kun is a real talent

 

[Wallaby Man]

Suntory have quite the staff.

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Leinster aren’t much better

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some of the European teams have massive lists now. As someone mentioned above it will end up NFL like as that’s where professionalism drives sports. The more money, the more analysis, the more need for individualised treatment. Many fans are hesitant in rugby because they don’t know any better as professionalism is still quite young.

I’d be confident that there is a direct correlation in rugby that the leading teams in their respective comps or at international level also have the most support staff or close to the most support staff. It’s why money often wins in sport

 

[Dan54]

Chiefs have bulk money to spend on coaching now that Wazza is back in Wales.

Could do because Gatland's wage didn't come out of any NZR money as usual head coaches do.

 

[waiopehu oldboy]

Clan have signed 32yo 10 Freddie Burns (five England caps) as an injury replacement.

 

[Dan54]

Clan have signed 32yo 10 Freddie Burns (five England caps) as an injury replacement.

Actually think it a good buy WOB. Hunt is OK at super level, I personally think Banks is well past use by date, and this will keep pressure off young Cam Millar and let him ease in slowly. And was pleased to read that Dermody talked about it with Hunt and Millar to let them knowing what was happening.

 

[waiopehu oldboy]

^ reading between the lines of the Dermody interview I don't think we'll be seeing much of Hunt until well into the season.

 

[Adam84]

So it's less then 30 days out from Super Rugby, and the Super Rugby Pacific website has posted only 3 articles in the past 2 months.

There's no team lists available, no mention of the pre-season matches, no injury updates, no talk of off-season signings. The entire place is dead, and this is has always been the issues as RA and NZRugby are running their own independent media campaigns and want their own respective websites to be the primary source of information. But it does nothing for building/improving the brand of Super Rugby.

When NZRugby and RA agreed to committ to Super Rugby until 2030, they both said marketing and media was an area they would focus on improving.. I'm not seeing it.

Compared to NRL.com

 

[Derpus]

So it's less then 30 days out from Super Rugby, and the Super Rugby Pacific website has posted only 3 articles in the past 2 months.

There's no team lists available, no mention of the pre-season matches, no injury updates, no talk of off-season signings. The entire place is dead, and this is has always been the issues as Rugby Australia and NZRugby are running their own independent media campaigns and want their own respective websites to be the primary source of information. But it does nothing for building/improving the brand of Super Rugby.

When NZRugby and Rugby Australia agreed to committ to Super Rugby until 2030, they both said marketing and media was an area they would focus on improving.. I'm not seeing it.

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Compared to NRL.com

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Maybe we should email them and ask what the fuck?

 

[Doritos Day]

You can't even bet on the winner yet.

Says it all.

 

[Adam84]

Maybe we should email them and ask what the fuck?

but email who lol?
NZRugby and RA said an independent board was been established to run Super Rugby.. who are they?

 

[Dan54]

but email who lol?
NZRugby and Rugby Australia said an independent board was been established to run Super Rugby.. who are they?

Would be interested to hear when this board is going to be established. You would think there would be some announcemaent when it getting close ie who is CEO etc etc. I just think it would be nice to know how far down the trck they are.

 

[waiopehu oldboy]

^ New structure kicks in next year:

SUPER RUGBY PACIFIC LOCKED IN UNTIL 2030

super.rugby

 

[Adam84]

^ New structure kicks in next year:

SUPER RUGBY PACIFIC LOCKED IN UNTIL 2030

super.rugby

Contract was extended from 2024-2030.
Surely any good ideas like a unified marketing approach and independent board don'thave to wait until 2024.

 

[Dan54]

I know it's meant to be in 2025, but something to look forward to? Someone is prepared to put his money in with that in future.
Will be interesting to watch developments.

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