Springboks v Wallabies - Sunday 2 October 1am AEST - Loftus Versfeld

[Dave Beat]

No, he should be given the chance to have an impact in the first 60 with Timani coming on in the last 20 after he has run himself to death. IMO it's cruel to leave a player benched because his 'impact' is so useful late in the game. Taf being the best example. Great impact in the last 20-30 and now stuck behind an inferior player because of it and the captaincy i suppose.

I'm not going to disagree with you - agree with your point as well.

Timani & McMahon both came on - one created impact and had an impact on result, the other didn't. I see benefit both ways - the game isn't won in the last 20 it is set up in the first 60 - you need best players on the park so hence I'm not disagreeing with you.

But i still liked him coming off the pine like he did last game.

 

[fatprop]

How is Latus lineout work?

Not as good as Ready's, but Latu is better ball in hand and more dynamic in defense

 

[Brumby Runner]

One of Polota-Nau's understudies at the Waratahs, Tolu Latu, was called up in his place, beating in-form Reds hooker Andrew Ready for the spot. Cheika said he had spoken to Ready about what he wanted the young Queenslander to improve on, and had been impressed by Latu's form in the NRC.
http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-union/u...ad-trip-to-africa-london-20160922-grlw2j.html

Probably wants him to improve his geography - move south of the Tweed.

I don't have a problem really with Latu but I do think Ready has been in consistent good form all year and had earned a shot.

 

[Braveheart81]

I don't have a problem really with Latu but I do think Ready has been in consistent good form all year and had earned a shot.

When we're talking about an uncapped player does it make more sense to pick the player who is currently in better form or averaging form across a whole year?

The former seems more relevant to me.

When the selection is based on being able to make an impact off the bench as Cheika has said, Latu's selection also makes sense from that perspective.

 

[fatprop]

I don't have a problem really with Latu but I do think Ready has been in consistent good form all year and had earned a shot.

In trying to understand the coaches thinking, Ready is clearly a better poacher from 2, but Cheika wants players to fan out until their is a dominant tackle; and then counter ruck.

I would suggest Ready was asked to work on his dominant defensive work and ball running

 

[Pfitzy]

I would suggest Ready was asked to work on his dominant defensive work and ball running

And his propensity to NOT be a Waratah. That's pretty key.

 

[The torpedo]

^that cat looks like it is going to fuck shit up

 

[cyclopath]

^that cat looks like it is going to fuck shit up

Der. It's a cat. Not to be trusted.

 

[cyclopath]

In trying to understand the coaches thinking, Ready is clearly a better poacher from 2, but Cheika wants players to fan out until their is a dominant tackle; and then counter ruck.

I would suggest Ready was asked to work on his dominant defensive work and ball running

Problem seems to be that our hooking options all carry some compromise. Whether it be general play, lineout consistency, or scrum work. I'd think, against the Bokke, aiming to solidify the lineout should be near the top of the list.

 

[Scrubber2050]

Most seem to agree the Pooper is done.

Most would agree that the Pooper's life expectancy was extended because we had a serious deficiency at 8. McCalman was tried but didn't take his opportunity.

I seriously like McMahon as a player and what he brings. But he is still a smallish guy to pack at 8.

If Sean was selected at 8 (and Hoops at 7) then it's a continuation of the Pooper type of combination specifically the McHooper.

Most want to see a big line bending 8. Timani is a distinct possibility of filling that role and should be given a couple of matches (starting) to see if he is that number 8.

Unfortunately Sean may be a victim of not being bigger

 

[fatprop]

Problem seems to be that our hooking options all carry some compromise. Whether it be general play, lineout consistency, or scrum work. I'd think, against the Bokke, aiming to solidify the lineout should be near the top of the list.

I don't know an Aus player that doesn't "carry some compromise"

 

[Braveheart81]

Most want to see a big line bending 8. Timani is a distinct possibility of filling that role and should be given a couple of matches (starting) to see if he is that number 8.

Is that how it generally works though?

Most players will get introduced off the bench and need to show what they can do to get a bigger opportunity.

It should be easier for him to show that impact we are after in a short period of time than over most of a match.

If we look purely at the last match McMahon came on and provided a noticeable impact playing at number 8. Timani didn't. I think McMahon is pretty much guaranteed to take Pocock's spot next week.

 

[Scrubber2050]

BH
You are probably right. Chek will do the obvious.

I am simply putting the case as to why I think the other bloke should get the start.

I am not overly worried about this week or next but potentially for years to come.

 

[Braveheart81]

BH
You are probably right. Chek will do the obvious.

Picking the player who has more experience, form and impact on the field? Cheika must be a genius.

 

[Scrubber2050]

Picking the player who has more experience, form and impact on the field? Cheika must be a genius.

Well he hasn't shown that yet. Maybe in the future one would hope.

 

[fatprop]

And his propensity to NOT be a Waratah. That's pretty key.

That is a given, we all know that within each Waratahs contract is a guarantee of Wobs caps

 

[Scrubber2050]

Fatprop

You've let the cat out of the bag

Now EVERYONE knows about it

 

[Braveheart81]

It's must be a tough choice for these young guys deciding whether they join the Tahs and play for the Wallabies or join the NSW Cricket team and get presented a Baggy Green.

 

[fatprop]

It's must be a tough choice for these young guys deciding whether they join the Tahs and play for the Wallabies or join the NSW Cricket team and get presented a Baggy Green.

not that hard, in rugby there are less chippy dwarfs wearing wraparound sunnies to deal with

 

[Scrubber2050]

It's must be a tough choice for these young guys deciding whether they join the Tahs and play for the Wallabies or join the NSW Cricket team and get presented a Baggy Green.

Conspiracy Theorists have flourished (quite rightly I might add) in the lesser populous States even before Federation.

That is why the West and South Australians, Tasmanians and mighty Queenslanders refused to federate without the installation of the Senate.

Go Pauline and Jackie