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Springbok Watch

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Brisbok

Cyril Towers (30)
No Bekker? He is off to France but so is Kruger, who has been picked. I wonder if it has something to do with Bekker's frog contract?
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Think he is similar to Jaque Fourie in that he is committing to a full time contract with his Japanese club and has made himself unavailable for the Boks.

No Brussow. What has Meyer been watching? Cartoons? Brussow will surely not leave for overseas. He''ll demand top dollar and get it.
Meyer clearly doesn't rate him and prefers the hyrbrid type openside flanker - lineout option, big ball carrier rather than a specialist fetcher only. Regardless, for him to not make a squad of 36 domestic based players is a bit of a joke.

Kirchner. Seriously is Meyer not watching ANY rugby?
Cannot make it any clearer as to what type of game plan he intends to play! o_O
 

Bairdy

Peter Fenwicke (45)
You'd have to think that Meyer would be crazy not to bring in some debutants for these June tests. It would be the ideal time to prep young players for TRC as they play Scotland, Italy and Argentina, who are on the bottom end of the Tier 1 nations - top end of the tier 2.
 

Blue

Andrew Slack (58)
You'd have to think that Meyer would be crazy not to bring in some debutants for these June tests. It would be the ideal time to prep young players for TRC as they play Scotland, Italy and Argentina, who are on the bottom end of the Tier 1 nations - top end of the tier 2.

Meyer seems to have a very low risk profile.

Unlikely. Pity.
 

Ruggo

Mark Ella (57)
Meyer seems to be a goose. The type that can turn sunshine into shit with sheer narrow mindedness.

Some fantastic players and teams playing a good intelligent style of rugby in that conference. Would be a shame if the coach can't harness that.
 

Rassie

Trevor Allan (34)
Ahaa without Fourie Du Preez Meyer look lost and so does the teams creativity. Glad people are seeing now how much Meyer and Steyn was hiding behind is brilliance. Created more than 80 percent of the Bulls try in 2009 win. All that Steyn did was pass to the guy next to him who was either Spies who crashed it up or his 12. Du Preez threw that Larkham like flat passes to someone in space or to Habana sneaking through the middle. Just go check that Crusaders game.

At the moment we have nothing. Lambie not a bootlace worth of Du Preez. Playing 2 inside centers or De Villiers at 13 is a big no no. That is what the Stormers are doing and all you see is cut back cut back cut back scissors cut back cut back scissors scissors
 

Blue

Andrew Slack (58)
Someone needs to point out to Meyer that the team he is likely to pick will lose in the Rugby Championships. Why then not be adventurous? Keep a few old hands for experience but take a swing at it for fucks sake.

Who re the players standing out at the moment? Pick players with potential. You're likely to lose anyway with the same old squad as last year.

Lodewyk de Jager
Jan Serfontein
Brussow
Lappies Lab
Ebersohn
P S du Toit - I htink he is the future at blindside, not lock
Willie Le Roux
Malherbe at 3
Piet v Zyl - scrummie

Imagine a pack:
Beast, Strauss, Malherbe/Coenie
De Jager, Etsebeth
Brussow, Vermeulen, PS du Toit


Throw in Bismarck along the way somewhere. Watch that lot get around the park and they give up nothing in the tight.

Let Adriaan Strauss captain a young team and have a crack dammit.

The fact that De Jager doesn't make the squad yet he picks an old guy like Franco vd Merwe gives me the shits.
 

Rassie

Trevor Allan (34)
Meyer seems to be a goose. The type that can turn sunshine into shit with sheer narrow mindedness.

Some fantastic players and teams playing a good intelligent style of rugby in that conference. Would be a shame if the coach can't harness that.
Think its a bit harsh. He became the coach 4 years too late and had to sit and watch how a golden generation got wasted by a clown. Now he sits with basically what he started at the Bulls. New generation with a more impatient public and less time.
 

Blue

Andrew Slack (58)
Think its a bit harsh. He became the coach 4 years too late and had to sit and watch how a golden generation got wasted by a clown. Now he sits with basically what he started at the Bulls. New generation with a more impatient public and less time.
I'll defend him if I see a hint of him adapting to the game. He is still trying to do what worked five years ago.
 

Rassie

Trevor Allan (34)
I'll defend him if I see a hint of him adapting to the game. He is still trying to do what worked five years ago.
Well I can assure you he will loose his hair because he is sitting without a pivot. Sarel Pretoruis might be his best option but then he sits without a sweeper on defense. He can't really use the 10 as a playmaker as his squad is filled with inside centers. So everything thrown in that region is either going to dummy, crash it up, do a scissors or cut back in.

Things worked 5 years ago and still would have worked if he had the same quality to do it with. I am talking about FdP, Jacque Fourie, Victor Matfield and Bakkies Botha.
 

Bairdy

Peter Fenwicke (45)
Do South Africans, and Meyer not think highly of Demetri Catrakilis? He, along with Lambie are probably the form flyhalves for South Africa.
 

Rassie

Trevor Allan (34)
Do South Africans, and Meyer not think highly of Demetri Catrakilis? He, along with Lambie are probably the form flyhalves for South Africa.
I like Dmitri but he is a Greek so Jantjies will always be the choice in front of him. That is SA rugby I am afraid
 

Blue

Andrew Slack (58)
Well I will put money on M Steyn starting at 10 for the Boks again.

Too much man love from Heyneke. A few more good home games from Steyn and it's all over.

Lots of talk about Bakkies apparently. Must say he has been impressive in France. Looks fitter and leaner than ever and getting around the park like I have never seen him do. Botha and Etzebeth will worry a few people if they can both stay on the park that is.
 

Blue

Andrew Slack (58)
I like Dmitri but he is a Greek so Jantjies will always be the choice in front of him. That is SA rugby I am afraid

What does Dimitri offer that Lambie doesn't?

Sharks don't score tries and suddenly Lambie is a bad player. Nonsense.
 

Brisbok

Cyril Towers (30)
"This is the best I have ever prepared a team, we have had coaching camps and I have been all over the world studying teams," he told reporters.

"Over the last three or four months we have looked at everything, we have been through every single breakdown.

"We are in a much better place at this stage than last year. We have never prepared like this, it is now a matter of getting it through to the players.

"We have been sending stuff out to them already and I am excited to see the response from them."
http://www.sport24.co.za/Rugby/Springboks/Boks-to-leave-no-stone-unturned-20130415

If only HM's squad selections impressed as much as his words in the media! I guess we will know by the Rugby Championship whether we finally have a decent Bok coach or whether we are merely just a quarter of the way through another 4 years of pain!

I, for one, am willing to give HM the benefit of the doubt and save my judgement until then. After that the "new players and coaching staff still getting to know each other" excuse will be wearing a bit thin.
 

RoffsChoice

Jim Lenehan (48)
Ebersohn says no to Montpellier
Bloemfontein - The Toyota Cheetahs coach Naka Drotské revealed that he had Robert Ebersohn persuaded to an offer from the French club, team Montpellier refuse.

"Robert told Montpellier no," Drotské told Thursday .

"I think it's a good decision, not only for us but also for him. Personally, I believe he is still young enough. Robert has a lot of time and his best hockey is still ahead. "

"So I think it is a good decision for him to stay where he is for now."
 

Rassie

Trevor Allan (34)
What does Dimitri offer that Lambie doesn't?

Sharks don't score tries and suddenly Lambie is a bad player. Nonsense.
I said nothing about Lambie. I said Jantjies. Jantjies there obviously will be no place for Dmitri.
 

Rassie

Trevor Allan (34)
We have the following problem. No matter who at 10 he is going to kick as we play a territorial game. Also we need to go away from this one dimensional guys like Willem Alberts who stands off flat then get thrown every single ball where he will be gang tackled and ball slow down. Another point is we need a 9 that can kick and open space for the 10 to kick into. At the moment Duvenhage is so far best one who have that ability.
Habana, JP Pietersen and Side Show Bob going overseas we have now 3 new shoes to fill. I would like to see mini Percy get a go. Pietersen have done nothing wrong this year and have been solid on defense. Just need to see what he can do when getting pumped the high ball.
 

Rassie

Trevor Allan (34)
How the mighty have fallen and this is shocking.

Comparing 2009 Tri NAtions with 2012 Rugby Championship

First 2009


Over recent years, the South African senior team has developed a clearly identified but
highly effective and successful playing strategy. It involves, in broad terms, exerting
territorial pressure on its opponents through tactical kicking combined with intense
physical pressure while minimising risk and effectively converting opponents errors into
points - Possession is not a priority.

This means that an analysis of South Africa’s matches invariably fall into a clearly
identifiable profile
¨ they obtain less possession than their opponents.
¨ as a result, they make fewer rucks
¨ and make fewer passes than their opponents
¨ but make more kicks because of the importance attached to territorial advantage
This approach is then enhanced by a highly competent scrum and a hugely successful lineout

(a) Possession
Over the series and as anticipated, South Africa obtained less possession than the other
two teams. In two of their matches, they gained just 39% of possession as against their
opponents’ 61% but still won both games. Lack of possession therefore was not an
impediment to success.

(b) Rucks/Mauls
Lack of possession meant that South Africa made fewer rucks than Australia and New
Zealand but they also rucked at a lower rate ie they made fewer rucks per minute’s
possession. Only one of their 10 tries contained more than one phase.

(b) Passing
Since passing is a product of possession, a team that obtains less possession than its
opponents almost invariably (but not always) passes less. South Africa confirmed this
once again – but to an extent that has almost certainly not been seen before in the
professional era.
¨ The average passes per game of 83 made by South Africa was the lowest by any
team in at least the last 6 years of Tri Nations– (New Zealand and Australia each
averaged 125 - or 50% more)
¨ Not one of the 10 tries scored by South Africa contained more than three passes
(Australia had 3 such tries, New Zealand 6)
¨ 7 of South Africa’s 10 tries comprised 1 pass or less

What was even more remarkable was that in one match against New Zealand, which
South Africa won, they made a total of just 43 passes, an exceptionally low figure as
illustrated in the following table
(It is important to note that only once in recent rugby history has a team come close to the
figure of 43 – and that was also South Africa who made just 49 passes when winning the
first test against the British and Irish Lions in June this year)

The overall South Africa approach of minimizing risk and exerting pressure was enhanced
in other ways
¨ Over 70% of restarts were kicked long - thereby exerting territorial pressure - which
contrasted with Australia’s 35% and New Zealand’s 29%
¨ and despite having less possession than Australia and New Zealand, they
maintained territorial pressure by making made more kicks out of hands, kicking at a
rate that was 40% greater than their opponents.
Pressure was also maintained through other sources
¨ South Africa possessed the ability to kick successful penalties from inside their own
half making possible the 60 metre penalty goal
¨
Most of South Africa’s scoring came in the first half so that in 5 of their 6 they had
the psychological benefit of leading at half time.
It was however through the lineout that South Africa managed to maintain a constant
pressure throughout the entire 80 minutes of the game. Their lineout figures were hugely
impressive
¨ their success rate was 88% compared with 78% and 74% for the other 2 countries
¨ they had a success rate of 38% on their opposition throw –
an exceptionally high figure that contrasted with the 10% and
15% of their opponents
¨ their lineout was stolen only 6 times compared with Australia’s 16 and New Zealand’s 14
¨ they stole their opponents lineout 24 times. Australia and
New Zealand managed just 6 each. this superiority was recognised by the other two teams who only challenged the South Africa lineout on 44% of occasions while Australia’s was challenged on 65% of
occasions and New Zealand’s on 58%.
¨ conversely, South Africa challenged their opponent’s lineout on 64% of occasions compared with Australia’s and New Zealand’s 49% and 56% respectively.

The ability to dominate the lineout was one of the core elements of a playing formula that
is currently producing success for South Africa.

Only 1 of New Zealand’s 9 tries contained less than 3 passes whereas in South Africa’s case it was 9 out 10.
Source: IRB ANALYSIS TRI NATIONS 2009 REPORT

So above basically meltsdown to Matfield.

From 2004 ro 2009 South Africa’s backs have scored 40 of their 46 tries a far higher proportion than the other 2 teams. In that 5 year period, South Africa’s forwards have scored a total of 5 tries compared to Australia’s 12 and New Zealand’s 22. We scored 6 tries from the scrum. Which we were creative with fancy moves of the back of the scrum.

Now for 2012


South Africa and Argentina did not score a single try from scrum possession
South Africa had the least successful kick at goal rate
The team with the least possession won the majority of matches
New Zealand’s second row made a total of 53 passes, the South Africa second row made a total of
eight
Five of the six matches with most kicks from hand involved South Africa
South Africa failed to recover a single restart, losing all 27 short restarts. The other three teams
recovered total of 29. - In 2009 we recovered 12 out of 29
http://www.irb.com/mm/document/newsmedia/mediazone/02/06/51/05/2012therugbychampionship.pdf

9 of our 12 tries were scored from the line out. Again 0 from the scrum. In 3 games we had the most possession when time measured. Two of them were against NZ and one was against Argentina at Newlands.
Kick rate was 1.6 comparing to NZ which was 1.5 and Australia 1.4. So the Kiwi's made basically one kick more than us. The problem is that most of those kicks were made by a scrumhalf who couldn't box kick to safe his life. One of the reasons why were so big fail
Our success rate on our own ball in the line out was 89 percent and 15 percent on opponents ball. Which was lower than the Kiwi's 18 percent.

So its clear teams with the least possession, best line out and able to rip most oppositions balls will win the TRC.

I am a bit worried about one thing. We scored none from scrums in 2012. We use to score tries from clever little runs and decoys to put players into space and in holes through out the years. That is gone. Now this is my concern and I really can't remember but can anyone tell me if they ever saw a Blue Bulls team did any clever backline moves while Heynecke was in charge? Can't think of any.
 
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