Shute Shield 2015
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Rocky Elsom (76)
^^^ Ignoring those in the "Wallabies 50 squad", The Corporation can still wheel out Waratah Tolu Latu at hooker to replace the US Eagles hooker Tom Coolican.
Southern Districts - Currently 56 points. Penrith (H), West Harbour (A) - Should win 2/2 and take 2 4T BP to finish on 66 points
Warringah - Currently 56 points. Sydney University (H), Eastwood (H) - Could lose 2/2 and take 1 4T BP with 1 <7 point loss BP to finish on 58
Sydney University - Currently 48 points. Warringah (A), Northern Suburbs (H) - Should win 1/2 and take 2 4T BP to finish on 54 points. They may win both with 4T BPs which would see them on
Hobbits and Rats are currently on 56 points. The Corporation can not make the predicted 66 points to knock the Hobbits out of 3rd place, but could end up in 4th place on 58 if they take 5 points from this weekends game against the Rats, and stop them from taking any BPs.
I reckon they will face either Manly or Souths in week 1 of Finals. A tough gig, but not insurmountable especially given MMM's recent form and their previous wobbly finals campaigns.
Southern Districts - Currently 56 points. Penrith (H), West Harbour (A) - Should win 2/2 and take 2 4T BP to finish on 66 points
Warringah - Currently 56 points. Sydney University (H), Eastwood (H) - Could lose 2/2 and take 1 4T BP with 1 <7 point loss BP to finish on 58
Sydney University - Currently 48 points. Warringah (A), Northern Suburbs (H) - Should win 1/2 and take 2 4T BP to finish on 54 points. They may win both with 4T BPs which would see them on
Hobbits and Rats are currently on 56 points. The Corporation can not make the predicted 66 points to knock the Hobbits out of 3rd place, but could end up in 4th place on 58 if they take 5 points from this weekends game against the Rats, and stop them from taking any BPs.
I reckon they will face either Manly or Souths in week 1 of Finals. A tough gig, but not insurmountable especially given MMM's recent form and their previous wobbly finals campaigns.
Marlin Boy
Bob McCowan (2)
Lanes defence is excellent, particularly front on. What do you base this comment on?
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David Codey (61)
I base it on the fact that the ball runner usually maintains their line & speed after contact with him.
They don't put him at hooker in defensive lineouts because he is a strong tackler.
They don't hide him on the wing in D,because of his brilliant counter either.
They don't put him at hooker in defensive lineouts because he is a strong tackler.
They don't hide him on the wing in D,because of his brilliant counter either.
GunnerDownUnder
Jim Clark (26)
Jerome McKenzie named in Easts 3rd grade this week
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Bob Davidson (42)
3 way battle for the final top 6 spot between Wicks, Pirates and Norths IMO.
I'm assuming Uni will at least beat Norths in the last round even if the Rats beat them this weekend so they will finish on at least 52 points.
Unlikely Wicks will add to their current points total of 48.
Norths will probably miss out as they play Uni in the last round and would need to win both games. Finishing level with Wicks (by beating Easts with a bonus point and picking up 1 bonus point agaist Uni) is no good as they have only won 7 games to Wicks 9. Likely finish with 46 or 47 points.
The Pirates could catch the Wicks with 2 bonus point wins against MTB and Southern, but unlikely they will beat Southern so probably finish on 43 or 44 points.
So it's possible the Wicks will sneak into 6th spot without picking up any points in the last 3 games.
I'm assuming Uni will at least beat Norths in the last round even if the Rats beat them this weekend so they will finish on at least 52 points.
Unlikely Wicks will add to their current points total of 48.
Norths will probably miss out as they play Uni in the last round and would need to win both games. Finishing level with Wicks (by beating Easts with a bonus point and picking up 1 bonus point agaist Uni) is no good as they have only won 7 games to Wicks 9. Likely finish with 46 or 47 points.
The Pirates could catch the Wicks with 2 bonus point wins against MTB and Southern, but unlikely they will beat Southern so probably finish on 43 or 44 points.
So it's possible the Wicks will sneak into 6th spot without picking up any points in the last 3 games.
Hugh Jarse
Rocky Elsom (76)
I reckon the wicks will end up in 6th place on 49 or 50 points.
1,2,3 will go to Woodies, MMM,and Hobbits.
Rats will probably get 4th with The Corporation in 5th.
Shoremen, Pirates, and the others have probably missed the boat.
Marlin Boy
Bob McCowan (2)
I've watched every Manly game this year and despite my bias I disagree. Sam is an excellent slide defender and front on. He's been carrying a significant knee injury all year and I think this is the basis of his positional play at lineout and defensive situations.
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Bob Davidson (42)
Great to hear. Must have been a bad injury as it has been 9 months to recover.
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Watty Friend (18)
I heard some info that will have this forum lighting up
In 2016 there is going to be a 200k salary cap on all clubs to run there rugby season.
This cap covers grade and colts and includes things such as match payments, cars, petrol money,accomodation, sign on fees etc etc plus the big one Scholarships and costs associated with Scholarships.
I have not heard how its going to be managed etc etc.
thinking about this i would imagine if put too the clubs 10 clubs would vote for the salary cap and 2 against
If uni and Randwick had say 20 full scolarships each at 5k thats half there money gone.
Not included in the salary cap is coaches payments and S&C costs.
In 2016 there is going to be a 200k salary cap on all clubs to run there rugby season.
This cap covers grade and colts and includes things such as match payments, cars, petrol money,accomodation, sign on fees etc etc plus the big one Scholarships and costs associated with Scholarships.
I have not heard how its going to be managed etc etc.
thinking about this i would imagine if put too the clubs 10 clubs would vote for the salary cap and 2 against
If uni and Randwick had say 20 full scolarships each at 5k thats half there money gone.
Not included in the salary cap is coaches payments and S&C costs.
Dave Beat
Paul McLean (56)
Will be interesting, the turn over between clubs (sponsorship / gate / catering) is substantially different, then there maybe the contra uni deals etc that maybe hard to police. Then how do they measure the Izzy Scholarship type one. Will be interesting trying to police and the associated costs on a comp which is closer to amateur, than professional.
Then given most players need to work, and some jobs come from club involvement - thus another aspect which is very blury.
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David Codey (61)
It's pointless to bring in any rules that you can't enforce.
Didn't they bring in a rule that there were to be zero payments in subbies?
How's that going!
Didn't they bring in a rule that there were to be zero payments in subbies?
How's that going!
Brian Westlake
Arch Winning (36)
Listen up boys and girls.... This is the sledge of the year!!!
If you want to learn, learn from a master. I doff my hat @ILTW.
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David Codey (61)
Yeah,it was a bit harsh.Listen up boys and girls.. This is the sledge of the year!!!
If you want to learn, learn from a master. I doff my hat @ILTW.
My new resolution is to stay away from these boards and my MIL after long lunches
Hugh Jarse
Rocky Elsom (76)
$200K Player payments cap? Good luck with that.
Like pure communism, it is a bloody good idea, but IMHO the practical application of it will not work. It will lead to more and more creative ways of attracting and retaining talent, and will require yet another administrative effort and staff to manage and police.
The NRL and AFL have full time forensic accounting staff and investigators in their Integrity Units and they can't keep up with what their member clubs are doing. How clever are the unpaid interns at SRU? I can really see them making a difference.
My gut feel is that the intended targets (Uni, and Wicks) will manage to stay within guidelines quite easily, and the clubs hit most will be the ones that can least afford to reduce their player payments. The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
Like pure communism, it is a bloody good idea, but IMHO the practical application of it will not work. It will lead to more and more creative ways of attracting and retaining talent, and will require yet another administrative effort and staff to manage and police.
The NRL and AFL have full time forensic accounting staff and investigators in their Integrity Units and they can't keep up with what their member clubs are doing. How clever are the unpaid interns at SRU? I can really see them making a difference.
My gut feel is that the intended targets (Uni, and Wicks) will manage to stay within guidelines quite easily, and the clubs hit most will be the ones that can least afford to reduce their player payments. The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
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Bob Davidson (42)
Does anyone really believe that a spending cap will level the playing field as I assume is the intention? Will kids leaving school decide to join Penrith or Parramatta instead of Uni or Randwick as a result? Most likely outcome IMO is players leaving rugby and going to league where they can still earn some money. And, as has been mentioned above, how on earth would it be policed? For those with longer memories, how many clubs / players were sanctioned for earning money from the game when it was amateur? In my memory, the only players who were impacted were those trying to return from a stint in league. Sounds like the wise heads at NSWRU have been raiding the cellar again.
GunnerDownUnder
Jim Clark (26)
Or a lot heading to Italy, Romania, France, Scotland etc to get some cash?
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