Shute Shield 2015

[wamberal]

Hopefully the Australian Rugby Foundation can actually send some funds directly to Western Sydney.. Which seems to be its scope

The Foundation is just a great idea.

 

[Hugh Jarse]

17 from Rats throwing a cheeky little punch in the handbag discussion at the end of the game. Seemed to throw the punch then duck behind one of his players. May have been the TV angle but it looked a bit of a cowardly cheap shot.

Good game at Rat park with the Rats lifting to cover for losing their #8 for and early shower with 20 minutes left.

The strong southerly wind played a big factor and Rats seemed to make better use of it.

 

[Hugh Jarse]

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From yesterday's round

Grade Randwick 304 - Penrith 34 (4 grades)

Colts Randwick 128 - Penrith 0 (2 grades as Penrith unable to field a 1st grade team)

How is this good for rugby?

Some other one sided results from the world of Colts
Wicks 200 vs Rats 5 (3 grades)
Wicks 187 vs 2Blues 48 (3 grades)
Woodies 163 vs Rats 10 (3 grades)

 

[Hugie]

"As I've mentioned elsewhere, I have lived in the Penrith area on and off for 25 years, probably 30 now I think of it. The sad reality is that except for a few dedicated rugby heads, the public couldn't give a crap about rugby out here. Penrith has the 2 biggest junior rugby league clubs on the planet. St Clair and St Marys who have in excess of 800 players each. Throw in Brothers who I believe now share Nepean Rugby Park and Minchinbury Jets who are both larger than Newport and Hunters Hill rugby clubs it shows you the size of the foothold the mungoes have out here." BellytwoBlues

So doesn't this make it the perfect market to go for?

Thousands of kids who want to play a contact sport, parents (mothers) who are OK with contact sports. Surely we only need a very small % penetration into this market and we'd have a big impact on Penrith rugby??? Doesn't this just scream neglect by NSW/Sydney RUs?? (I'm sure Cattledog and the Penrith volunteers are doing it against all odds).

 

[Quick Hands]

Some other one sided results from the world of Colts
Wicks 200 vs Rats 5 (3 grades)
Wicks 187 vs 2Blues 48 (3 grades)
Woodies 163 vs Rats 10 (3 grades)

But those results haven't been like that for 15 years without change. 15 years ago that Wicks/Rats line would have been the other way around. One sided results which ebb and flow over the years are completely different to 15 or so years of one way traffic.

 

[wamberal]

So doesn't this make it the perfect market to go for?

Thousands of kids who want to play a contact sport, parents (mothers) who are OK with contact sports. Surely we only need a very small % penetration into this market and we'd have a big impact on Penrith rugby??? Doesn't this just scream neglect by NSW/Sydney RUs?? (I'm sure Cattledog and the Penrith volunteers are doing it against all odds).

Thinking about it as a market does not help us much. Junior rugby has to be either school or community based, it cannot be parachuted into a "market" - it is not a product in the classic sense, it is a pastime which needs a lot of volunteers to make it work.

Penrith actually had a fair bit of money and attention poured into it, about a dozen or maybe more years ago - they actually had a very good first grade team, from memory they got up above the middle of the table. But it came to nothing, apparently.

Without the schools in a region like Penrith I would say we are stuffed.

The only option I can think of is for one of the established clubs to take a mentoring/resourcing role. Maybe that would mean that Penrith would be a feeder club, but in return they would have better resourcing to develop their grassroots

 

[I like to watch]

Good to see that tv could be telecast from Rat Park today,contrary to rumours about only 4 clubs venues being able to host TV games.

It seems a more even comp to me this year as well,which is a good thing!

 

[the coach]

Who's advocating a merger? I can't recall reading it anywhere on this thread, and I certainly didn't suggest it.

EDIT: From yesterday's round

Grade Randwick 304 - Penrith 34 (4 grades)

Colts Randwick 128 - Penrith 0 (2 grades as Penrith unable to field a 1st grade team)

How is this good for rugby?

OK, but don't forget my previous note about the first grade game: Randwick only led 19-15 with 15 minutes to go. Penrith played with a lot of enthusiasm and tackled strongly. I believe many of their players are ex-mungos still learning the game. If they can keep the 1st grade squad together for the rest of this season they may worry a few other teams, especially at home. (Note: The Wicks run on team had 4 backs and 4 forwards eligible for Colts and a couple more came off the bench so there was a lack of experience there as well.)

A think the real problem is not that the Emus can't attract players or develop them, rather it's that they can't keep them for more than 1-2 years. Not sure what the answer to that problem is.

 

[the coach]

BTW, a young guy named George Harrison (nickname Beatle ) scored 6 tries for Wicks 2nd grade yesterday playing at #6.

I think Mike Cleary still holds the record for most tries in a game.

Is that correct and does anyone know how many he scored?

 

[wamberal]

BTW, a young guy named George Harrison (nickname Beatle ) scored 6 tries for Wicks 2nd grade yesterday playing at #6.

I think Mike Cleary still holds the record for most tries in a game.

Is that correct and does anyone know how many he scored?

He scored seven. That was his last game of rugby before switching to the other code.


Randwick missed the semis that year. Eastwood had beaten them in the first round, in the mud, at Eastwood. They lost a heap of players to a tour of South Africa, so lost a lot more games that they would usually have won.


They took it out on us, big time, that day.

 

[BellyTwoBlues]

He scored seven. That was his last game of rugby before switching to the other code.


Randwick missed the semis that year. Eastwood had beaten them in the first round, in the mud, at Eastwood. They lost a heap of players to a tour of South Africa, so lost a lot more games that they would usually have won.


They took it out on us, big time, that day.

Dave Feltscheer actually had the record..........................sadly though it was only for 36 hours. Warringah put over 130 on Penrith in 1st Grade Colts in 2008 or 2009, and Feltsch, being one of the best open field runners of his generation, scored 9 tries that day. Jim Davis from Rugby News confirmed that was a comp record across all grades.

Unfortunately Penrith withdrew from the comp first thing Monday morning and the result was reverted to a 28-0 forfeit.

And Feltsch missed out on the record.

 

[Whale berry]

Thinking about it as a market does not help us much. Junior rugby has to be either school or community based, it cannot be parachuted into a "market" - it is not a product in the classic sense, it is a pastime which needs a lot of volunteers to make it work.

Penrith actually had a fair bit of money and attention poured into it, about a dozen or maybe more years ago - they actually had a very good first grade team, from memory they got up above the middle of the table. But it came to nothing, apparently.

Without the schools in a region like Penrith I would say we are stuffed.

The only option I can think of is for one of the established clubs to take a mentoring/resourcing role. Maybe that would mean that Penrith would be a feeder club, but in return they would have better resourcing to develop their grassroots

There is no quick fix for the Penrith (read west of Parramatta) problem.
A strategy that targets schools to set up/grow/develop juniors (starting with the young ones U/6 - U/9) and build up age groups as they grow older.
This grows into colts and then into senior players, it takes cash and commitment from hard core volunteers and the various RU admin involved.

At the same time the senior club needs to be propped up until the juniors flow through, either by bringing in x number of players or going back down to Subbies.

The juniors need a successful well run senior club to aspire to.

Will any of this happen, I suspect there are some hard core volunteers trying but for the RU admin to commit to a 10 year strategy is a bridge to far.

The strategy is not unique, the AFL have been doing it for years (throwing resources at the grass roots).

 

[wamberal]

The strategy is not unique, the AFL have been doing it for years (throwing resources at the grass roots).

They can afford to throw a lazy $50 mill or whatever around though, can't they, on one new franchise.

We just do not have that sort of money. And if we did, Penrith would have to line up with all the other potential growth areas of the game.

On the other hand, maybe the new Foundation might put its hand in its pocket. But at the end of the day, it is the community that has to want the sport. We will never be able to buy community support.

 

[Whale berry]

They can afford to throw a lazy $50 mill or whatever around though, can't they, on one new franchise.

We just do not have that sort of money. And if we did, Penrith would have to line up with all the other potential growth areas of the game.

On the other hand, maybe the new Foundation might put its hand in its pocket. But at the end of the day, it is the community that has to want the sport. We will never be able to buy community support.

Regrettably, we don't have the money. i think Penrith were successful when NSWRU had a dozen or so development officers running around and part of the deal was to play for certain clubs. That helped until the money ran out.

I agree that you can't buy the community but you have to provide "it" for the community to experience it and accept it.

Given that no one has the money, where does that leave Penrith??

 

[Dave Beat]

Manly celebrated 132 years strong on the weekend with the launch of their book Sun, Surf & Scrums, the Story of Manly Rugby. Manly icon Sean Rout and his team of merry men spent years putting together and makes for a great read.

Anyone who has taken an interest in club rugby - your team is in there, well worth making the purchase.

It all happens down at the Village Green – The Mounties Bowling Club, we were honoured to have in attendance for the special day Tony Abbott, Alan Jones, Mike Baird and one of our best supporters Jean Hay.

Then they all migrated across to the new 1883 Club and mixed with Patrons whilst watching Manly put on a few wins over Gordon.

And even mixing with the grass roots.

Great people and a great afternoon – best sporting code in the country.


Marlins doing things well.

 

[Gibbo]

and then Tony went to the Royal Oak in Balmain and Skolled a middie of Mid-strength Peroni

 

[forwards4ever]

Hopefully the Australian Rugby Foundation can actually send some funds directly to Western Sydney.. Which seems to be its scope

Still not going to be enough to save Penrith! need large scale development from the bottom up. This takes the kind of in put the aFL have been throwing around for more than 10 years. You need development officers who go into schools and run, coach, referee school competitions, you need more help to clubs in the region and you need some spine in the recruiting/player points to help Penrith stop bleeding players to more attractive offers.
Rugby would have gone a long way to helping Penrith if they had insisted Folau sign up with Penrith.

 

[Prodigy]

Still not going to be enough to save Penrith! need large scale development from the bottom up. This takes the kind of in put the aFL have been throwing around for more than 10 years. You need development officers who go into schools and run, coach, referee school competitions, you need more help to clubs in the region and you need some spine in the recruiting/player points to help Penrith stop bleeding players to more attractive offers.
Rugby would have gone a long way to helping Penrith if they had insisted Folau sign up with Penrith.

Or kurtley Beale who is actually a local junior


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[wamberal]

Rugby would have gone a long way to helping Penrith if they had insisted Folau sign up with Penrith.

I have talked elsewhere of the importance of everybody, every club, every franchise, understanding that as a sport we are under the pump, and we all have to work together cooperatively for the sake of the future.

I was absolutely ropable when Folau chose Sydney University as his club. But I do not blame either the ARU or Folau.

I blame that bunch of self-obsessed overblown schoolboys who wear blue and gold. If they had the slightest regard for the game as a whole, they would have offered Folau all the perks that they could, and then sent him off to Penrith. He will never play a game of club rugby anyway.

 

[Inside Shoulder]

I have talked elsewhere of the importance of everybody, every club, every franchise, understanding that as a sport we are under the pump, and we all have to work together cooperatively for the sake of the future.

I was absolutely ropable when Folau chose Sydney University as his club. But I do not blame either the ARU or Folau.

I blame that bunch of self-obsessed overblown schoolboys who wear blue and gold. If they had the slightest regard for the game as a whole, they would have offered Folau all the perks that they could, and then sent him off to Penrith. He will never play a game of club rugby anyway.

I would have liked this post but I juts cant accept the bolded bit.
The very reason it is the ARU who should be blamed is because it is the ARU that is responsible the overarching interests of the game - you can throw the Tahs/NSWRU in there as well: Uni, on the other hand, are charged with doing the best for uni.