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Shute Shield 2013 Transfers

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Glen Christini

Peter Burge (5)
Parra "in comp" transfers apart from the previous one identified from training photos.

Myles Hunkin - 2 (from Wests)
Solomona Salipa - 9 (from Penrith)

As well as that there a number of incoming players from elsewhere - some of whom are expected to figure strongly in our S.S side.

We have lost the following players.

Kaleb Rech - 9 (returned to Canberra)
BJ Ranui - 9 (returned to NZ)
Ben Hewitson - 2 (travelling)
 

Aussie D

Desmond Connor (43)
Kaleb Rech will be a huge loss for Parramatta as I really rated his play from the games I saw on ABC last year. His passing really got their backline going. Any word on whether he is in line for higher honours as he is only young?
 

Empire

Syd Malcolm (24)
Back to Queanbeyan or the Vikings presumably?

Looked good last year, would love it if my club were to approach him!
 

Done that

Ron Walden (29)
Parra "in comp" transfers apart from the previous one identified from training photos.

Myles Hunkin - 2 (from Wests)
Solomona Salipa - 9 (from Penrith)

As well as that there a number of incoming players from elsewhere - some of whom are expected to figure strongly in our S.S side.

We have lost the following players.

Kaleb Rech - 9 (returned to Canberra)
BJ Ranui - 9 (returned to NZ)
Ben Hewitson - 2 (travelling)

While Myles Hunkin may have played the occasional first grade game over recent seasons because of injuries or absences for various reasons , with respect to him , I don't believe he could be classed
as a "first grade " player.
 

stonecutter

Chris McKivat (8)
While Myles Hunkin may have played the occasional first grade game over recent seasons because of injuries or absences for various reasons , with respect to him , I don't believe he could be classed
as a "first grade " player.

Perhaps that is part to do with why he is chancing his luck elsewhere.
 

Glen Christini

Peter Burge (5)
While Myles Hunkin may have played the occasional first grade game over recent seasons because of injuries or absences for various reasons , with respect to him , I don't believe he could be classed
as a "first grade " player.

Clearly I beg to differ - Myles was "best on field" on more than one occasion in first Grade at Wests, the bloke has a good skill set on him and in the right environment my just surprise some. Personally I am unlikely to surprised.
 

Done that

Ron Walden (29)
Clearly I beg to differ - Myles was "best on field" on more than one occasion in first Grade at Wests, the bloke has a good skill set on him and in the right environment my just surprise some. Personally I am unlikely to surprised.
My point is he is not a regular player in Wests first grade side, playing mostly second & also some third grade games. When you said you have a "first grade " player from Wests one assumed logically ,you meant you
had someone who usually plays first grade there.There are a number of players running around in various second grade , or lower , teams who may have the ability under certain circumstances to
play first grade.That's not the issue.However when Wests lost their first choice hooker ,Paul Ngauamo , midway through the 2012 season , his replacement there was Reg De Jager.Myles Hunkin played second grade under both those players.Irrespective of his potential he was not the first grade hooker.
 

Wazza2013

Fred Wood (13)
Parra "in comp" transfers apart from the previous one identified from training photos.

Myles Hunkin - 2 (from Wests)
Solomona Salipa - 9 (from Penrith)

As well as that there a number of incoming players from elsewhere - some of whom are expected to figure strongly in our S.S side.

We have lost the following players.

Kaleb Rech - 9 (returned to Canberra)
BJ Ranui - 9 (returned to NZ)
Ben Hewitson - 2 (travelling)


It is definitely a shame to see Kaleb go back to Canberra!
 

Andrew B Cox

Sydney Middleton (9)
While Myles Hunkin may have played the occasional first grade game over recent seasons because of injuries or absences for various reasons , with respect to him , I don't believe he could be classed
as a "first grade " player.

I'm agreeing with Glen on this.

When I was at Wests, he would have played a lot more first grade had he not decided that he 'wanted to play thirds with his mates', some who were disgruntled because they weren't in firsts.

He has so much ability. It sounds that his head is in a good place right now, and that spells good news for Parramatta.
 
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BellyTwoBlues

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I'm agreeing with Glen on this.

When I was at Wests, he would have played a lot more first grade had he not decided that he 'wanted to play thirds with his mates', some who were disgruntled because they weren't in firsts.

He has so much ability. It sounds that his head is in a good place right now, and that spells good news for Parramatta.

I agree with Coxy too (surprising I know). Myles is a good kid, with a great training ethic, his motivation is for the right reasons, and his talent is very underrated. He gets around the field like another 7, is very good over the ball, a solid reliable defender and his set piece is also solid.

He's returning to his 'home' club and we expect big things from him. Under Coach Christini's coaching program, this kid will surprise many.....but not us!

Go Parra!
:)
 

Done that

Ron Walden (29)
I agree with Coxy too (surprising I know). Myles is a good kid, with a great training ethic, his motivation is for the right reasons, and his talent is very underrated. He gets around the field like another 7, is very good over the ball, a solid reliable defender and his set piece is also solid.

He's returning to his 'home' club and we expect big things from him. Under Coach Christini's coaching program, this kid will surprise many...but not us!

Go Parra!
:)
My post above was in response to Glen Christini's #126 , when he said Parramatta had signed a West Harbour first grader.
I would think that on seeing this , most interested readers here would be pondering which of the West Harbour first grade team he was referring to.
Certainly if a bloke tells me he is the first grade hooker at Wests or wherever I assume he means the first grade hooker in the first grade team , not the first grade hooker
in the second grade or the first grade hooker in the third grade team etc., or the hooker with the potential to play first grade every week.
Those who seem to disagree with me above , refer to various attributes which he possesses as a Rugby player , implying that I have in some way been critical of his abilities.
I have simply pointed out that at West Harbour , he could not be regarded as THE FIRST GRADE HOOKER.
Saying that he will surprise many this year "but not us " implies that you guys at Parramatta have some special ability at spotting talent not possessed by others , presumably the coaches at Wests , which I think is
a little grandiose isn't it ?
In support of my opinion I have managed to acquire from the West Harbour Club the following stats on the hookers of recent seasons:
Paul Nguamo ...played 8 games at Wests last year of which 6 were in first grade.
Reg de Jager ..has played 58 games at Wests of which 44 were in first grade.
Todd Pearce...has played 133 games at Wests of which 82 were in first grade.
Myles Hunkin...has played 60 games at Wests of which 8 were in first grade.
I hope Myles does well , & I won't be surprised if he does.
 
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BellyTwoBlues

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My post above was in response to Glen Christini's #126 , when he said Parramatta had signed a West Harbour first grader.
I would think that on seeing this , most interested readers here would be pondering which of the West Harbour first grade team he was referring to.
Certainly if a bloke tells me he is the first grade hooker at Wests or wherever I assume he means the first grade hooker in the first grade team , not the first grade hooker
in the second grade or the first grade hooker in the third grade team etc., or the hooker with the potential to play first grade every week.
Those who seem to disagree with me above , refer to various attributes which he possesses as a Rugby player , implying that I have in some way been critical of his abilities.
I have simply pointed out that at West Harbour , he could not be regarded as THE FIRST GRADE HOOKER.
Saying that he will surprise many this year "but not us " implies that you guys at Parramatta have some special ability at spotting talent not possessed by others , presumably the coaches at Wests , which I think is
a little grandiose isn't it ?
In support of my opinion I have managed to acquire from the West Harbour Club the following stats on the hookers of recent seasons:
Paul Nguamo .played 8 games at Wests last year of which 6 were in first grade.
Reg de Jager ..has played 58 games at Wests of which 44 were in first grade.
Todd Pearce.has played 133 games at Wests of which 82 were in first grade.
Myles Hunkin.has played 60 games at Wests of which 8 were in first grade.
I hope Myles does well , & I won't be surprised if he does.

Nah mate, not grandiose at all. It's about backing our systems. Nothing more, nothing less.

8 games out of 60, they still count as 1st grade dont they? How many 1st grade games did he play when at Penrith also?
I know I would have been stoked to have played 8 1st grade games.

My problem was though, I was crap!
 

SackRobbie

Chris McKivat (8)
Nah mate, not grandiose at all. It's about backing our systems. Nothing more, nothing less.

Done That, I agree with you on this.

Belly while it is fine to say that he has first grade ability, Done That is saying that he wasn't West's 1st grade hooker and he wasnt. Doesnt mean he is not a good player and wont play 1st grade but he wasn't West's 1st grade hooker.
 

Andrew B Cox

Sydney Middleton (9)
I agree with Coxy too (surprising I know). Myles is a good kid, with a great training ethic, his motivation is for the right reasons, and his talent is very underrated. He gets around the field like another 7, is very good over the ball, a solid reliable defender and his set piece is also solid.

He's returning to his 'home' club and we expect big things from him. Under Coach Christini's coaching program, this kid will surprise many...but not us!

Go Parra!
:)
Come on Belly, I would have thought we agreed on a number of things!
 

stonecutter

Chris McKivat (8)
My post above was in response to Glen Christini's #126 , when he said Parramatta had signed a West Harbour first grader.
I would think that on seeing this , most interested readers here would be pondering which of the West Harbour first grade team he was referring to.
Certainly if a bloke tells me he is the first grade hooker at Wests or wherever I assume he means the first grade hooker in the first grade team , not the first grade hooker
in the second grade or the first grade hooker in the third grade team etc., or the hooker with the potential to play first grade every week.
Those who seem to disagree with me above , refer to various attributes which he possesses as a Rugby player , implying that I have in some way been critical of his abilities.
I have simply pointed out that at West Harbour , he could not be regarded as THE FIRST GRADE HOOKER.
Saying that he will surprise many this year "but not us " implies that you guys at Parramatta have some special ability at spotting talent not possessed by others , presumably the coaches at Wests , which I think is
a little grandiose isn't it ?
In support of my opinion I have managed to acquire from the West Harbour Club the following stats on the hookers of recent seasons:
Paul Nguamo .played 8 games at Wests last year of which 6 were in first grade.
Reg de Jager ..has played 58 games at Wests of which 44 were in first grade.
Todd Pearce.has played 133 games at Wests of which 82 were in first grade.
Myles Hunkin.has played 60 games at Wests of which 8 were in first grade.
I hope Myles does well , & I won't be surprised if he does.

Perhaps the board at Wests feels this too as the turnover of coaches in the past few seasons has become regular. Many of us have been confused over Wests lack of success at SS level in the past 5 years and this may be a contributing factor.
 

Andrew B Cox

Sydney Middleton (9)
Perhaps the board at Wests feels this too as the turnover of coaches in the past few seasons has become regular. Many of us have been confused over Wests lack of success at SS level in the past 5 years and this may be a contributing factor.

You may be onto something there Stonecutter.

In hindsight, Stu Woodhouse should not have been replaced by me.

After spending some time there, I reached a number of the same conclusions as he did.

The biggest problem when you replace someone is that you tend to take others opinion of what went wrong with the former coach as gospel.

Perhaps it's an ego thing. Perhaps its just justification that you're doing the right thing.

And to the same extent, I don't think Daniel Manu should have replaced me. Clearly others will disagree, but January- September is not long enough to make a significant difference to a team. You at least need a pre-season.

Wests do much well. They have a good heart and are financially prudent. They have a community feel, and there are a number of fine men and good characters in their rank and file.

If they face a challenge, it is perhaps sharing responsibility for their on-field performance.

There you go Stonecutter, I've probably said more than I should. No doubt it'll get back.
 

Done that

Ron Walden (29)
You may be onto something there Stonecutter.

In hindsight, Stu Woodhouse should not have been replaced by me.

After spending some time there, I reached a number of the same conclusions as he did.

The biggest problem when you replace someone is that you tend to take others opinion of what went wrong with the former coach as gospel.

Perhaps it's an ego thing. Perhaps its just justification that you're doing the right thing.

And to the same extent, I don't think Daniel Manu should have replaced me. Clearly others will disagree, but January- September is not long enough to make a significant difference to a team. You at least need a pre-season.

Wests do much well. They have a good heart and are financially prudent. They have a community feel, and there are a number of fine men and good characters in their rank and file.

If they face a challenge, it is perhaps sharing responsibility for their on-field performance.

There you go Stonecutter, I've probably said more than I should. No doubt it'll get back.

That's an interesting observation Andrew.
Certainly coaching a football team of any code is a thankless task for most , & one which I wouldn't undertake .
But how does Stonecutters hypothesis relate to you as West Harbour's coach in 2011, i.e did the Board tell you they felt you lacked ability in spotting talent ?
I presume you don't believe that you do ?

Insofar as my posts relate to Myles Hunkin ,on looking through my 2011 programmes ,I see that Myles Hunkin played a few games in 3rd grade , which you mention above was so he could play with his mates, but played the vast majority in 2nd grade.I note you only selected him once in 1st grade ,preferring mostly Reg de Jager , who was captain , but also Todd Pearce , & on one occasion John Tato , while Myles warmed the bench.
 

Andrew B Cox

Sydney Middleton (9)
That's an interesting observation Andrew.
Certainly coaching a football team of any code is a thankless task for most , & one which I wouldn't undertake .
But how does Stonecutters hypothesis relate to you as West Harbour's coach in 2011, i.e did the Board tell you they felt you lacked ability in spotting talent ?
I presume you don't believe that you do ?

Insofar as my posts relate to Myles Hunkin ,on looking through my 2011 programmes ,I see that Myles Hunkin played a few games in 3rd grade , which you mention above was so he could play with his mates, but played the vast majority in 2nd grade.I note you only selected him once in 1st grade ,preferring mostly Reg de Jager , who was captain , but also Todd Pearce , & on one occasion John Tato , while Myles warmed the bench.

Couple of questions there Done that. I'll try and answer each as clearly as possible.

1. My tenure at West Harbour began in mid January 2011 and concluded in September that year. My replacement was announced before the semi finals were concluded, so it was a short run. The ability to spot talent was not a reason for my departure. Given that more than a dozen colts players from 2010 made their debut that year in first grade, I'd say I encouraged young talent. As my tenure was short, I basically 'got what I was given' in terms of recruitment. The club had re-signed a number of players prior to the second round of my season to avoid the walkout caused by the instability at the end of the year prior.

2. An internal review into first grade took place without my involvement. A number of players expressed their concerns in my ability to coach, which was upsetting to say the least. I don't know who the players were, but I really did try my best to help all the guys in the side. The club delivered the line to me that it was easier to recruit a new coach than recruit a new team, and they risked losing players. So I moved on to the under 12s at West Harbour. Once again, I think I coach for the right reasons and improve the lives of young men, so you could say I was shattered.

3. Reg is a fine man and player, and the captain at the beginning of the year. I had a number of really good and versatile front rowers at the beginning of the year, Vaughan Lomax was playing great footy at tighthead- but could also hook and play loose head, and Todd had converted from hooker to loose head- a position we thought he was more adept. Reg was first selected hooker, but could play tight head as well. When Rodney Blake returned from the Rebels, I took the decision that Reg, who's throwing had gone south a tad, was the player to go to seconds- a very painful decision given my respect for his character and ability. But 4 into 3 just don't go.

4. By midway through the season, we had a number of injuries. Michael Aalatoa was playing loose head, Reg and Todd were injured and I wanted to play Myles at hooker, given his throwing and work around the paddock. Unfortunately he wanted to do his own thing, so I chose someone who really wanted to play firsts, and that was John, I even tried Patrick Andrews until he too succumbed to injury. In all Myles could have possibly played 7 or 8 more first grade games. We finally got him to play and he got injured! Particularly after getting maximum Best and Fairest points. Perhaps my inability to connect with Myles was the reason he didn't want to play 1sts, and some could point towards that, however, I think some of his mates at the time who were serial club switchers had dragged him into their protest.

5. To add to Stonecutter's hypothesis, I would argue that a number of players' unhappiness had allowed them to remove Stu, and the same process was used to remove me. I could speculate that this very process has been used to bring Matt Briggs in to work with Daniel, after Daniel possibly received some dodgy reviews. Both Stu and I, while able to present to the coach selection committee, had no involvement in the review. Ultimately a culture such as this places responsibility away from the players and onto the coach. I guess you can see where I'm going with this.

So to summarise, Myles was a player of first grade ability at Wests, even if he didn't play so many games. Given his head in the right place, he may have displaced some of the guys I mentioned earlier. And Stonecutter, yes, I think if the club backed the coach rather than the players, the players may have to take responsibility for their performance. If they lose players through that policy,so be it. But I think there may be too many club hoppers at Wests anyway.
 
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