Scotland v Australia 12Nov16 Saturday

[waiopehu oldboy]

The Skelton YC is at 0:47 in the clip:

Definite Yellow, could easily have been Red & worthy of some time off. I'd say 2-3 weeks but it's World Rugby doing the sanctioning so anything from exoneration upwards is possible.........

 

[the sabanator]

The stupidity of the Skelton incident is just mind boggling

1. We had a penalty, and a potential card, for Laidlaw being blatantly offside
2. There was never even a hint of using his arms
3. He was from the side anyway
4. Gray, who had a fantastic game, wasn't doing anything anyway and was completely defenceless
5. The ruck was f***ing over

Let alone the time of the game and the score situation

 

[tragic]

We were very lucky to get away with that one. I'll take it but I do feel for Scotland.
There were games this year against England we deserved to win more than that one.
My biggest fear coming into this game was that we would have another comfortable win and Cheika would think he had the magic combination, only to to be found wanting again against England (and Ireland) for the same reasons as earlier in the year.
We won't win against either of those sides with the team and performance from last night.
We need to find more tries from the visits into the opposition 22, better exit strategies from our own 22 (which was essentially a penalty or a try last night) and to shore up our defence. Too many soft tries this year.
And we still are still lacking in the collisions with two open sides.
Despite the optimism after a good win against a poor Welsh side, I don't think much has changed.
Our current ranking is unfortunately about right.

 

[Dan54]

Skelton is a waste of space.


BTW are you thinking of Justin Harrison?

Yep Wamberal, I didn't hear who it was and guessed James Horwill, but if it was Justin he wasn't too bad I thought.

 

[Micheal]

Yep Wamberal, I didn't hear who it was and guessed James Horwill, but if it was Justin he wasn't too bad I thought.

James Horwill was actually commentating for the BBC if you streamed it. Otherwise Justin was on BeIN.

 

[I like to watch]

Pressure creates errors

Pressure creates errors in the line.
Guys throwing hail Mary's at the end of a line break, is down to poor decisions, not pressure.

 

[Micheal]

Pressure creates errors in the line.
Guys throwing hail Mary's at the end of a line break, is down to poor decisions, not pressure.

I disagree. When teams get frantic and desperate they make poor decisions. Look at the ABs against Ireland in the final 10.

You get stressed and think "Fuck we've really got to score soon", make a half break and throw a silly pass without thinking about it.

 

[PeterK]

Patience Barbarian?

If anything our lack of patience is what caused us to repeatedly turn the ball over.

I think Folau was 3 times alone.

espn stats say Folau had 2.

He made 4 offloads.

 

[I like to watch]

I disagree. When teams get frantic and desperate they make poor decisions. Look at the ABs against Ireland in the final 10.

You get stressed and think "Fuck we've really got to score soon", make a half break and throw a silly pass without thinking about it.

Ok, but our hail Mary's weren't in the last 10 minutes.
There was plenty of time, to recycle and go again.
Pressure is a two way street.
How do we build pressure on them,if we throw the ball away in attacking situations?
These weren't 50/50 balls, they were wildly speculative passes.

 

[PeterK]

The reason Hodge doesn't taking clearing kicks is because he's way slower to kick and whilst he can belt the fuck out of it, can't really direct it at all.

Also, for TK's missed tackle. Someone mentioned it was equally DHP's fault. Not a chance, as soon as TK leaves the line DHP is forced into either trying to cover two men if he misses (which he did) or stick to his man. Once TK flops off like a fish DHP has two men and has to make a very difficult covering tackle on his inside. TKs fault all day.

Agree not DHP's fault at all.

On the kicking Hodge has the same issue as Folau. Both kick a lot further than Foley but both take too long and neither are that accurate.
Mind you Foley kicks too low and thus is charged down often.

 

[PeterK]

My biggest issue is that the attack reverted to being predictable again with the exception of the Hodge try which was marvelous.

Why wasn't the high kicks to DHP and Folau tried more.
Why wasn't Foley doing little short kicks behind the rushing defense with chasers coming through like he did against Wales.

 

[Brumby Runner]

Pressure creates errors

In this case though, each of our culprits put the pressure on themselves trying the hail mary off load when they should have and could have taken the tackle and recycled the ball for further attacking options. The Scottish defense was beaten on these occasions and wasn't responsible for the pressure that led to the errors at all.

 

[TOCC]

Pressure creates errors

And errors create pressure...

Passing to a Scottish defender or throwing a no-look Hail Mary pass isn't from pressure, it's over excitement/poor composure.

Even Cheika has come out and said the players weren't mentally In the game..

 

[Kev]

The stupidity of the Skelton incident is just mind boggling

1. We had a penalty, and a potential card, for Laidlaw being blatantly offside
2. There was never even a hint of using his arms
3. He was from the side anyway
4. Gray, who had a fantastic game, wasn't doing anything anyway and was completely defenceless
5. The ruck was f***ing over

Let alone the time of the game and the score situation

It's insane when you realise he was paid $10,000 for that 'performance' (match payment).

Worse still is that he is getting flown around Europe business class and staying at luxury hotels when he contributes absolutely jack shit.

 

[TOCC]

Plenty of people questioned the inclusion of Speight and Skelton in the touring squad, Skelton had a brain fart and Speight is just 'meh', hard done on some of those guys in the NRC who outplayed both during the season.

 

[Teh Other Dave]

I suspect Skelton may spend some time out of the game. The shot was late, with no arms. He could have done serious injury to Gray, threatening his livelihood. Talk of the game going soft is rubbish, I'd like to see anyone who believes otherwise try to stop players like Gray or Kuridrani. The game is rightly trying to eliminate cheap shots like Skelton's.

 

[Twoilms]

And errors create pressure.

Passing to a Scottish defender or throwing a no-look Hail Mary pass isn't from pressure, it's over excitement/poor composure.

Even Cheika has come out and said the players weren't mentally In the game..

Always, always underestimate scotland. Even though they havent been shit for a while now

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[hammertimethere]

If Skelton is punished with a few weeks and sent home I will not complain.

 

[Simon.]

The bulk of the blame for this debacle and near-miss IMO goes to the coaching staff who found a way against Wales to deal effectively with the rush defence (albeit one many of us have been crying out for for months), and then proceeded to ignore it and let the Scots rush us safe in the knowledge the Wallabies weren't going to try anything except running rugby.

I don't think I've ever been so disillusioned with a Wallabies coach as I am now. Cheika has an exceptionally talented squad at his disposal and he insists in misusing it, both in terms of selections and in terms of game plans.

 

[I like to watch]

I thought it was a terrific game.
It wasn't faultless.
I think there is room for improvement in selection, some decision making & accuracy,and use of the bench.
But not a debacle.
They were better than expected,and we still won.
A debacle would be losing to Japan in RWC