Hugh Jarse
Rocky Elsom (76)
Puts to bed the blind side argument, and confirms Quick Hands assumptions and assertion that "the letter" was an escalation of a previously unsuccessful/unsatisfactory informal communication process.
School sporting scholarships/recruitment
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Puts to bed the blind side argument, and confirms Quick Hands assumptions and assertion that "the letter" was an escalation of a previously unsuccessful/unsatisfactory informal communication process.
Quick Hands
David Wilson (68)
This confirms what most of us thought.
Hugh Jarse
Rocky Elsom (76)
Quick Hands - snap.
Spieber
Bob Loudon (25)
Talented athlete enters College St in Yr 9, repeats Yr10, and then strokes 1st VIII.
strokeside
Larry Dwyer (12)
There's the answer, a full 3rds com in all sports and let the superpowers battle out 1sts.
Spieber
Bob Loudon (25)
Entry into Harvard is not that tricky if you happen to be good at rowing - have experienced the enrolment process first hand.
jogging40
Frank Row (1)
Buckle up.... Long time, First time...
I have been in the 'system' as both a student and now teacher for some 25 years. Tragic I know, but I have to keep food on the table and there is not much else I am good at or qualified to do! That said, I am passionate about my job and have never had a day that I wish I was doing anything else. I have been an avid reader of the articles and blogs set up regarding these latest developments and can only describe the whole thing as SAD. This may be a far to simplistic summary but the greatest problem in all of this is over ambitious and egotistical ADULTS, both Staff and Parents losing sight of what schoolboy sporting competition was intended for.....EDUCATING YOUNG MEN.
In my 15 years of teaching in both CAS/GPS Schools I have coached various sports at the highest level (if that is what coaching a 1st team is called), got my hands on some silverware, lost some 'nail bitters' and had teams I have coached 'smacked' by the might of various schools, dependent on the 'cycle' that the school is in. I can't offer any firm 'solutions' to all of the issues but my experience tells me that the very ones we as teachers have a duty to nurture and care for, are the ones who are suffering in all of this. I feel deeply for all the students involved. It is never the student’s fault, that lies with the ADULTS.
I have slowly watched the increased 'professionalism' in these competitions and this is not driven by the students......it has been created again by....ADULTS. I remember coaching a certain sport and observing the opposition coaches with a ear piece in, getting instruction from another coach who was observing the game from another vantage point.....at that stage I began thinking this is progressing faster than we might be wanting it to! At the same time HOW CAN IT BE STOPPED? Parents can be fanatical about their children, I have been told many times that 'you know my little Johnny is going to be this, or going to be that'..... It is human nature, a little bit is good so more MUST be better right? I can tell you the 'Talent ID programs' of the ARU have certainly 'inflated' all of this. You have boys in these programs, given 'Wallaby' gear, who are believing that they will make a living from the sport, as do some Mums and Dads!
When I first started in the game of teaching, so many staff had a desire to move through the ranks and maybe coach the 'top team' of their chosen sport. Those days are LONG GONE. With the greater expectation, massive increase in training sessions per week and pressure exerted on them from both the 'school' and parents, it is no longer a goal of teaching staff. I wonder how many schools have members of the teaching staff coaching their top teams? I dare say many would have 'outside coaches' some with no experience or qualification in educating, or coaching, young, impressionable men. I was shattered to hear that various coaches and administrators had called each other 'cheats' (with a few expletives added) throughout the course of the year in different sports in GPS competition. These interactions alone PROVE we have LOST THE PLOT. Add to that schools not shaking hands before games…..Where are the ADULTS in this telling their students about ‘sportsmanship’? Schools need to EMPLOY staff who are there for the STUDENTS not their own CV's or 'brand', who don't worry about how a 'winning or losing' season might affect their future prospects as a 'career coach'. Get the staff back in charge who want to be there for the right reasons, to galvanise and develop meaningful relationships with their teams and assist them to develop skills that will help them in the biggest game of all.....LIFE! Get back to recovery sessions involving diving in a cold pool and a Sausage sandwich talking and laughing around a BBQ….no oxygen mask required!
I think we are in grave danger, if it has not already occurred, of losing the 'goodness' that these competitions and fixtures provide. All perspective appears to have been lost. Having your schools name on a trophy is just that, a name on a trophy. There are 100 names before it and there will be 100 after it…… although recent events suggest that might not be the case in the future! It is well overdue for the ADULTS to grow up and pull their heads in..... for the sake of the most important commodity in all of this ... THE STUDENTS. What ever happens from here on in, it MUST be in the best interests of the kids, they are counting on us, THE ADULTS, to get it right….. A Utopic, nostalgic notion? ….perhaps it is all too far gone! I still live in hope....
I have been in the 'system' as both a student and now teacher for some 25 years. Tragic I know, but I have to keep food on the table and there is not much else I am good at or qualified to do! That said, I am passionate about my job and have never had a day that I wish I was doing anything else. I have been an avid reader of the articles and blogs set up regarding these latest developments and can only describe the whole thing as SAD. This may be a far to simplistic summary but the greatest problem in all of this is over ambitious and egotistical ADULTS, both Staff and Parents losing sight of what schoolboy sporting competition was intended for.....EDUCATING YOUNG MEN.
In my 15 years of teaching in both CAS/GPS Schools I have coached various sports at the highest level (if that is what coaching a 1st team is called), got my hands on some silverware, lost some 'nail bitters' and had teams I have coached 'smacked' by the might of various schools, dependent on the 'cycle' that the school is in. I can't offer any firm 'solutions' to all of the issues but my experience tells me that the very ones we as teachers have a duty to nurture and care for, are the ones who are suffering in all of this. I feel deeply for all the students involved. It is never the student’s fault, that lies with the ADULTS.
I have slowly watched the increased 'professionalism' in these competitions and this is not driven by the students......it has been created again by....ADULTS. I remember coaching a certain sport and observing the opposition coaches with a ear piece in, getting instruction from another coach who was observing the game from another vantage point.....at that stage I began thinking this is progressing faster than we might be wanting it to! At the same time HOW CAN IT BE STOPPED? Parents can be fanatical about their children, I have been told many times that 'you know my little Johnny is going to be this, or going to be that'..... It is human nature, a little bit is good so more MUST be better right? I can tell you the 'Talent ID programs' of the ARU have certainly 'inflated' all of this. You have boys in these programs, given 'Wallaby' gear, who are believing that they will make a living from the sport, as do some Mums and Dads!
When I first started in the game of teaching, so many staff had a desire to move through the ranks and maybe coach the 'top team' of their chosen sport. Those days are LONG GONE. With the greater expectation, massive increase in training sessions per week and pressure exerted on them from both the 'school' and parents, it is no longer a goal of teaching staff. I wonder how many schools have members of the teaching staff coaching their top teams? I dare say many would have 'outside coaches' some with no experience or qualification in educating, or coaching, young, impressionable men. I was shattered to hear that various coaches and administrators had called each other 'cheats' (with a few expletives added) throughout the course of the year in different sports in GPS competition. These interactions alone PROVE we have LOST THE PLOT. Add to that schools not shaking hands before games…..Where are the ADULTS in this telling their students about ‘sportsmanship’? Schools need to EMPLOY staff who are there for the STUDENTS not their own CV's or 'brand', who don't worry about how a 'winning or losing' season might affect their future prospects as a 'career coach'. Get the staff back in charge who want to be there for the right reasons, to galvanise and develop meaningful relationships with their teams and assist them to develop skills that will help them in the biggest game of all.....LIFE! Get back to recovery sessions involving diving in a cold pool and a Sausage sandwich talking and laughing around a BBQ….no oxygen mask required!
I think we are in grave danger, if it has not already occurred, of losing the 'goodness' that these competitions and fixtures provide. All perspective appears to have been lost. Having your schools name on a trophy is just that, a name on a trophy. There are 100 names before it and there will be 100 after it…… although recent events suggest that might not be the case in the future! It is well overdue for the ADULTS to grow up and pull their heads in..... for the sake of the most important commodity in all of this ... THE STUDENTS. What ever happens from here on in, it MUST be in the best interests of the kids, they are counting on us, THE ADULTS, to get it right….. A Utopic, nostalgic notion? ….perhaps it is all too far gone! I still live in hope....
Hugh Jarse
Rocky Elsom (76)
Has there ever been a GPS Head sacked or resigned rather quickly?
The Scots board must be fully informed of and support Dr Lambert's actions both in the lead up to this and of the current reaction.
I think the Cardinal Pell set a standard for decisive action at board level with not so recent events at Johns College Sydney Uni.
The Scots board must be fully informed of and support Dr Lambert's actions both in the lead up to this and of the current reaction.
I think the Cardinal Pell set a standard for decisive action at board level with not so recent events at Johns College Sydney Uni.
Inside Shoulder
Nathan Sharpe (72)
Nope.
Sorry.
He started at Edgecliff prep - father an old boy mother a teacher at the school
Spieber
Bob Loudon (25)
Post of the thread - thank you for the perspective of somebody looking after the boys who cares.
PS Sorry about the selective editing - couldn't resist.
I like to watch
David Codey (61)
I wouldn't make George Pell the template of how to decisively act over sensitive issues.
He has presided over many,much more disgraceful actions than those at St Johns College with no result.
He has presided over many,much more disgraceful actions than those at St Johns College with no result.
Spieber
Bob Loudon (25)
Umm - reread what I wrote, specifically words 3 and 4 - I was on the pool deck when he made his first big splash in GPS swimming - and I know he was at Rushcutters Bay and that his mum is a teacher. Also, why does a boy who is now at a top university need to repeat Yr10?
Inside Shoulder
Nathan Sharpe (72)
Spieber
Bob Loudon (25)
Does the Presbyterian Church have a top dog with balls?
Inside Shoulder
Nathan Sharpe (72)
My understanding is that he was young - he was even young for the year he repeated into I believe. wherever he was I can tell you he was a known sportsman even in primary school at Grammar.
He was without doubt at the prep school, and had a brother there too.
strokeside will have all the details
Hugh Jarse
Rocky Elsom (76)
With all this talk of Northern Beaches Buses crossing the bridge, where would these kids go to otherwise, and how good would their sports programmes be with a bit of local talent?
Pittwater House, St Pauls, Auggies, Pius X, Oxford Falls Grammar, Narrabeen Sports High, Bally Boys.....?
Pittwater House, St Pauls, Auggies, Pius X, Oxford Falls Grammar, Narrabeen Sports High, Bally Boys.....?
Inside Shoulder
Nathan Sharpe (72)
let me see if I'm following.
Are you suggesting that there might be more schools playing better rugby?
Would that expose more kids to the game they play in heaven?
Would that mean we didn't need to go looking for mungoes every 5-7 years?
would that strengthen the roots of the game we love?
gee - that might be something worth aiming for
Quick Hands
David Wilson (68)
Their top dog is called the Moderator-General and the position rotates annually as far as I know. Interestingly, the majority of the School Council at Scots are still Presbyterian Clergy.
Hugh Jarse
Rocky Elsom (76)
They must approve then.
Hugh Jarse
Rocky Elsom (76)
Throw those from ISA and CAS and the Sports Highs who are also prepared to play with the GPS Superpowers in a NSW Schools Premier Rugby Schools 1st XV competition and let the rest of the schools play games for the original purpose that they were added to the curriculum - mostly fun.