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School sporting scholarships/recruitment

Hugh Jarse

Hugh Jarse

Rocky Elsom (76)
Interesting point about St Auggies in ISA and scholarships. IIRC some of their boys find themselves in other school associations from time to time. Guess the Peninsular is not always so Insular.

On the ISA (and CAS) front, there are some in the ISA and CAS that allegedly indulge in this practice of importing talent/inducing enrollment/subsidised fees etc.

I am sure that it is against a code of conduct somewhere, but I have been unable to find any evidence of said code on their web sites (both of which I might add are rather user unfriendly and not world dominating). It is hard to jump on my hobby horse when I don't know what ruling the schools may be in breach of.

One thing about Auggies keeping some of the Manly/Warringah talent in the ISA system means that there is at least some viable competition from the ISA for the CAS, GPS and CHS. Without a strong Auggies, Oakhill, St Pats and Stannies would have to do a fair bit of heavy lifting for that association.

Is it time for a merit divisionalisation of Sydney Schools in 1st XV and 16A's, with the rest of the teams remaining in their current associations?
 
Hugh Jarse

Hugh Jarse

Rocky Elsom (76)
Inside Shoulder said:
Doesn't seem to be against the ISA rules: http://www.isa.nsw.edu.au/2007ISACodeOfConduct-Final-Public.pdf
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This particular code of conduct (rightly) seems to be focused on game day management and participant behaviours.

At best one could draw the bow that importing talented athletes is not "within the best tradition of collegiality amongst independent schools.". Although it is related to "The pursuit of excellence in games" but not always "the enhancement of positive educational experiences for all students".

There are some clever legal minds here in Gaggerland that I am sure would really enjoy the intellectual challenges of determining if talented athlete inducements and scholarships etc were in breach of the ISA code, all in 6 minute chargeable blocks of time of course.
 
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Frank Nicholson (4)
GTPIH said:
4. 'Somebody' must assume that the Parents at his School are idiots – the Scots parents all know the truth. Scots (& New) will argue – ‘yes they are on Scholarships, but they are not for Rugby – they are ‘all rounder’ Scholarships’ – Please, who are they kidding!!!!

I am certainly no idiot. All I have heard is rumours. I have not asked any parent of a suspect boy how the boy's fees are being paid and it is none of my business. I suspect that 99% of posters on this site are in the same boat - peddling hearsay.

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Firstly I want to make it clear I wasn't suggesting that any Scots parent is an idiot - please accept my apologies

I am very very confident about the reliability of my sources - this is not hearsay - the massive majority of Scots parents - in fact all those that I have spoken to know their is a problem and that there are numerous boys on sporting Scholarships. I have also heard it from the boys themselves.

Sorry for asking - but do you work at Scots?

I want to make it clear I am not anti Scots - Newingtons efforts this year (in Rugby) were far worse. However Scots need to admit fault and agree to make changes (As should Newington).
 
Hugh Jarse

Hugh Jarse

Rocky Elsom (76)
10 pages in a week.

Nothing like a bit of spice to rev up the post count, or to encourage some new gaggerlanders to join the club.
 
Hugh Jarse

Hugh Jarse

Rocky Elsom (76)
and for the steak knives today, we have this impromptu contribution from the good Dr Hawkes:

Kings cards are on the table. It seems that is OK to breach the Code of Conduct as long as nearly everyone else is doing it, and it is being done to a more or less similar level. When someone goes beyond the normal level, then look out we're coming to get you.

As predicted by several on this thread, Kings sees this as just an exercise to bring Scots (and most likely NEW) into line. It remains to be seen if Scots will view it that way, and by the language coming out of Bellevue Hill, they seem to have bunkered down. As the story is growing legs in the wider public domain, it would seem that it will be harder for Mr Lambert to simply perform a rather shallow demonstration of Scots being "brought into line".

Methinks that this is going to get rather messy.


Careful management of school sport essential if a sense of fair play is to be preserved


Unfair is when victory is not warranted by virtue of honest endeavour, or when winning occurs through the exploitation of an advantage not accessible to others. Interestingly, most leading independent boys' schools offer a few inducements to gifted sportsmen. I think it has ever been thus, and has occurred with sufficient regularity, and to a similar level in most schools, to be tolerated. However, every now and again, one or two schools go over the top. This results in them needing to be brought in to line.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/comment/careful-management-of-school-sport-essential-if-a-sense-of-fair-play-is-to-be-preserved-20130924-2uca2.html#ixzz2fp27Bz7l
 
Hugh Jarse

Hugh Jarse

Rocky Elsom (76)
Absolutely nothing new there in the Article including the David Kirk quote. Some rather lazy and extremely predictable format journalism.

World cup hero quote (was he former CEO of the SMH?)
Negative comment from a Public Sector to lead into class warfare theme
The Government spends how much on this Elite School
Anonymous sound bight quote from student (or parent)
Grammar are clean
Formula, blah blah, formula.

The article from Hawkes is however a little more illuminating, giving up some clues as to the North Parramatta High's motivation.

PS lincoln: the young folk tell me that there is a rather simple bypass to the 30 SMH articles per month limit.
Something to do with deleting a cookie apparently.
 
Hugh Jarse

Hugh Jarse

Rocky Elsom (76)
These from March this year in the GPS 2013 thread:

Shooter said:
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forwards4ever said:
Relevance?
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sarcophilus said:
can someone show these people how to set up a basketball thread or give the scotts boys their own corner to stand in
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I like to watch said:
Maybe they should put it in the Scholarship thread, so we can comment on how all their 1's and half their 2's came to the School?
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A little interesting given current events. Many of the GPS associated regular posters will probably recall these series of posts, and the overhyped fanboy basketball video.

Funny thing, when I click on the you tube thingy now, it tells me that "This video does not exist".
Looks like the Sports tab on the Scots web page isn't the only thing being expunged in the spirit of an open investigation by an Independent investigator.
 
Paddogreen

Paddogreen

Herbert Moran (7)
Careful management of school sport essential if a sense of fair play is to be preserved


Unfair is when victory is not warranted by virtue of honest endeavour, or when winning occurs through the exploitation of an advantage not accessible to others. Interestingly, most leading independent boys' schools offer a few inducements to gifted sportsmen. I think it has ever been thus, and has occurred with sufficient regularity, and to a similar level in most schools, to be tolerated. However, every now and again, one or two schools go over the top. This results in them needing to be brought in to line.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/comment/careful-management-of-school-sport-essential-if-a-sense-of-fair-play-is-to-be-preserved-20130924-2uca2.html#ixzz2fp27Bz7l[/quote]


Wow, who made this guy the policeman. As it seems the journos and schools are reading this thread (unless the use of 'Arms Race' in today's press was co-incidental) , give us some something.
If all the schools can do it, how much? 1 or 2 players, 10%, 50%, Five Eights count as double, wingers don't count?
 
Buster

Buster

Chris McKivat (8)
http://www.smh.com.au/national/educ...elite-approach-to-success-20130924-2ucad.html

Someone at the Herald really wants to blow TSC out of the water. I dare say if you put some of the other schools under the magnifying glass, you wuld find some pretty high profile coaches and "specialists" going around.

PaddoG, you are right on the money, the Kings HM is now deciding that the field is unfair. He didn't have much of an issue when he had a swag of Australian School Boy footballers and Australian Rep rowers walking through the hallowed grounds of Parrmatta.

I think all those people who are going hard at Scots need to turn the maginfying glass on their school system. Not all is as rosy as some would believe!
 
Buster

Buster

Chris McKivat (8)
Wow, who made this guy the policeman. As it seems the journos and schools are reading this thread (unless the use of 'Arms Race' in today's press was co-incidental) , give us some something.
If all the schools can do it, how much? 1 or 2 players, 10%, 50%, Five Eights count as double, wingers don't count?[/quote]

Love this! Wingers don't count. Made my day so far!
 
wreckless

wreckless

Bob Loudon (25)
Buster said:
Wow, who made this guy the policeman. As it seems the journos and schools are reading this thread (unless the use of 'Arms Race' in today's press was co-incidental) , give us some something.
If all the schools can do it, how much? 1 or 2 players, 10%, 50%, Five Eights count as double, wingers don't count?

Love this! Wingers don't count. Made my day so far!
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For discussion at the Cauliflower Club Lunch in November!!!:)
 
Hugh Jarse

Hugh Jarse

Rocky Elsom (76)
Buster said:
http://www.smh.com.au/national/educ...elite-approach-to-success-20130924-2ucad.html

Someone at the Herald really wants to blow TSC out of the water. I dare say if you put some of the other schools under the magnifying glass, you wuld find some pretty high profile coaches and "specialists" going around.

PaddoG, you are right on the money, the Kings HM is now deciding that the field is unfair. He didn't have much of an issue when he had a swag of Australian School Boy footballers and Australian Rep rowers walking through the hallowed grounds of Parrmatta.

I think all those people who are going hard at Scots need to turn the maginfying glass on their school system. Not all is as rosy as some would believe!
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Tin Foil Hat time.

Does this have something to do with they interest from the Herald (in addition to the usual Public vs Private schooling class warfare which is always an easy and polarising angle to take)?
http://www.smh.com.au/business/kirk-exits-fairfax-20081205-6rz9.html

I am lead to believe that the same Captain Kirk previously of the Herald is on the Sydney Grammar Board.

Put it in perspective the reported $100k on a Altitude chamber represents just over 3 students fees at $30k per year, and if the thread below is to be believed, the chamber was funded by Old Boys, not the school.
http://www.greenandgoldrugby.com/community/threads/training-in-a-hypoxic-chamber.12408/

One of the best lines on that thread is this contribution from Braveheart81
"Most Scots parents are probably wishing the 'High Performance Centre' was part of the Maths faculty or similar, not part of the gym."

Apparently some people seem to think schools are about education not winning.
 
Paddogreen

Paddogreen

Herbert Moran (7)
No probs buster, plenty to come. There was a post about trying to win rugby in the Schools Anniversary years, here are the winners (spoiler alert-Joeys):
Rumours won't go away on the '80, 93 winners
School Centenary Sesquicentenary
Kings (1831) Joeys Joeys
Grammar (1857) Joeys Joeys
New (1863) High New/Scots
View (1880) View
Joeys (1881) Joeys
High (1983) Joeys
Shore (1989) Joeys
Scots (1993)
Scots
 
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