School sporting scholarships/recruitment

[Tight head Lion]

Doing the email rounds since Captain Kirks article.

 

[Quick Hands]

Tries were only 4 points

True, still couldn't have been too many. But look how even the competition was. (with the exception of Joeys).

Interestingly, if you go back 2 year before that to 1988, High defeated Joeys 17-4 and also defeated Shore, Grammar, Kings and Scots for 5 wins out of 7.

The supposed intelligent adults who run the various schools (not all of them) seem to have managed to ruin a very even and high standard competition in a generation. The administration of certain schools should hang their heads in shame that we now have a situation where 25% of the schools in the Association can't compete because certain old boys and headmasters want to recreate a golden age of (insert name of school) rugby which never existed. For what???

 

[strokeside]

As I understand it, they need to commit to rugby for a certain period after the tour - 12 months?

I recall that Tyrone Smith couldn't tour with the Australian Schoolboys, because he couldn't sign the agreement, as he was already contracted to a league club.

this is getting a run over in the NSW schools thread.

 

[I like to watch]

As I understand it, they need to commit to rugby for a certain period after the tour - 12 months?

I recall that Tyrone Smith couldn't tour with the Australian Schoolboys, because he couldn't sign the agreement, as he was already contracted to a league club.

4 years ago, around the time to announce the squad to tour the UK, it was realised that Tyson Frizzel was listed on the Sharks website as a contracted player.
After much hand wringing, it was declared that it was absolutely an error and his name and photo was removed the the squad from their website.
Funnily enough just after he returned home, he had a change of heart and played for the Sharks.
Who would have thought?
There is no mechanism to tie any junior rep player to the game ATM.
I'm happy for anyone to be picked,as long as they reimburse their holiday expenses when they turn the back on this game.
They are slow learners this has been going on since Wally Lewis had his European vacation paid for by the ARU as a schoolboy.

 

[Quick Hands]

4 years ago, around the time to announce the squad to tour the UK, it was realised that Tyson Frizzel was listed on the Sharks website as a contracted player.
After much hand wringing, it was declared that it was absolutely an error and his name and photo was removed the the squad from their website.
Funnily enough just after he returned home, he had a change of heart and played for the Sharks.
Who would have thought?
There is no mechanism to tie any junior rep player to the game ATM.
I'm happy for anyone to be picked,as long as they reimburse their holiday expenses when they turn the back on this game.
They are slow learners this has been going on since Wally Lewis had his European vacation paid for by the ARU as a schoolboy.

Mr Frizzel is hardly a household name, maybe he should have stuck with rugby.

You'd think that even rugby administrators would know boys who are currently contracted to RL clubs and playing Holden Cup. Or maybe Jason Allen doesn't know, although as a former motor racing administrator he should know who's running around in the Holden Cup.

 

[Tight head Lion]

Also your memes about TSC are as creative as 15 year olds demonstrate on apps like snap chat - what's your username again?

As mentioned in my post, this is an image that popped into my inbox while working today. The author/creator are unknown. The point I wish to make is that the Kirk article is gaining currency.

 

[gpsfan]

Following this commentary over the last few days, I have taken a moment today to review the TSC lineup for '13. The results are this:
In '13, 18 boys have taken the field, of which 4 started at TSC in Prep, 9 started in Year 7, 3 started Year 10, 2 started Year 11. The Year 10 boys - 1 in an international student (pretty common for international students to attend from year 10 or 11), 1 is an indig bursary (with the expansion of the indig program at TSC) and 1 of the Year 11 starters has a dad & grandfather who are old boys. The remaining 2 I am unsure.

At the TSC rugby lunch last week it was commented that against Kings, TSC won 90% of the 30-odd fixtures that day. Is that a school that is focusing solely on a 1st XV title?

Well may we question the intentions of Tight head Lion, a seemingly disgruntled ex-employee of 2 GPS schools (& seems to be angling for a job at Grammar now). Your Rugby 7s tournament comment is a sad reflection of the delusional world that only you live in - I could find no student who has popped up at TSC after attending that tournament.

 

[Quick Hands]

Following this commentary over the last few days, I have taken a moment today to review the TSC lineup for '13. The results are this:
In '13, 18 boys have taken the field, of which 4 started at TSC in Prep, 9 started in Year 7, 3 started Year 10, 2 started Year 11. The Year 10 boys - 1 in an international student (pretty common for international students to attend from year 10 or 11), 1 is an indig bursary (with the expansion of the indig program at TSC) and 1 of the Year 11 starters has a dad & grandfather who are old boys. The remaining 2 I am unsure.

At the TSC rugby lunch last week it was commented that against Kings, TSC won 90% of the 30-odd fixtures that day. Is that a school that is focusing solely on a 1st XV title?

If these statements are correct, and I have no reason to doubt you, Scots are doing the right thing here.

I did notice in the Shore results last week that Scots beat Shore in 15As quite well. It was confirmed to me that this match was As on As and Scots still send half of the year group to Glengarry. An indication that those boys are skilled up and also perhaps that Shore have a weak age group - nevertheless, well done as the 15s has been a graveyard for Scots teams for quite a while.

 

[Inside Shoulder]

Following this commentary over the last few days, I have taken a moment today to review the TSC lineup for '13. The results are this:
In '13, 18 boys have taken the field, of which 4 started at TSC in Prep, 9 started in Year 7, 3 started Year 10, 2 started Year 11. The Year 10 boys - 1 in an international student (pretty common for international students to attend from year 10 or 11), 1 is an indig bursary (with the expansion of the indig program at TSC) and 1 of the Year 11 starters has a dad & grandfather who are old boys. The remaining 2 I am unsure.

At the TSC rugby lunch last week it was commented that against Kings, TSC won 90% of the 30-odd fixtures that day. Is that a school that is focusing solely on a 1st XV title?

Well may we question the intentions of Tight head Lion, a seemingly disgruntled ex-employee of 2 GPS schools (& seems to be angling for a job at Grammar now). Your Rugby 7s tournament comment is a sad reflection of the delusional world that only you live in - I could find no student who has popped up at TSC after attending that tournament.

How many boys from Scots made the primary schools CIS team in 2012?
How many boys from the CIS team turned up at Scots in 2013?
I haven't seen THLs comment on the rugby 7s but the advertising and sponsorship certainly set a new low in taste.
One may be able to buy class on the rugby field but not elsewhere.



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[Inside Shoulder]

Following this commentary over the last few days, I have taken a moment today to review the TSC lineup for '13. The results are this:
In '13, 18 boys have taken the field, of which 4 started at TSC in Prep, 9 started in Year 7, 3 started Year 10, 2 started Year 11. The Year 10 boys - 1 in an international student (pretty common for international students to attend from year 10 or 11), 1 is an indig bursary (with the expansion of the indig program at TSC) and 1 of the Year 11 starters has a dad & grandfather who are old boys. The remaining 2 I am unsure.

At the TSC rugby lunch last week it was commented that against Kings, TSC won 90% of the 30-odd fixtures that day. Is that a school that is focusing solely on a 1st XV title?

Well may we question the intentions of Tight head Lion, a seemingly disgruntled ex-employee of 2 GPS schools (& seems to be angling for a job at Grammar now). Your Rugby 7s tournament comment is a sad reflection of the delusional world that only you live in - I could find no student who has popped up at TSC after attending that tournament.

With boys who were at other private schools and suddenly lobbed at TSC.



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[Inside Shoulder]

Lets not focus on the article now, THL. The reality is you are a disgruntled employee, you never lead a program yourself or coached at a standard above U12s. Do you remember sitting in he playground with your JOEYS rugby socks pulled up the day before TSC v SJC with a loud speaker - preaching 'scots boys, you are about to meet your maker tomorrow' - weird maybe? pity about the result as well.

For those few that take stock in THL's attack on TSC, the reality is the depth of success is now demonstrated in the boat shed, basketball court, cricket pitch and soccer. Lets put aside the 1sts teams results, and look at the level of programming, resume of coaching staff of juniors and overall winning %, that's where TSC is focused now.

BAck to Facebook for THL, middle aged man with 15 year old friends.

Success at the boatshed must be a relative thing for TSC. it's been a long time between drinks and that's a premiership you cannot buy.
Cricket- where did that fast bowler/batsman in the 1s from NSW U18s who could not make training in Sydney come from and when?
Basketball - someone explained the quota system for recruitment there to me but its such a god awful sport I'd be quite happy to see TSC win it every year with NBA players so I paid no attention to the detail. 4 recruits in the 1s rings a bell.
Before you get too carried away with the 15s you need to check where they were in primary school and the circumstances in which they got to to TSC.
There's a ready made scouting combine every year at the NSWPSSA titles, as shown by that age group at Newington - though for them rumour has it there is a transfer to SJC in the wind for one of their star recruits.




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[Colin Windon]

I think we are all in screaming agreement then that New wins gold in the scholarship Olympics with TSC in the silver position. My prediction for GPS rugby positions is in line with scholarship Olympic position. Good luck to both schools on your respective achievements.

All I hope for is competitive rugby and preparation of our elite athletes for a successful future in the real world of rugby post the increasingly uneven competition they currently play.

 

[Hugh Jarse]

Colin Windon, Flay yourself. How dare you suggest that there is something more important than Schoolboy rugby?

I have a good mind to report your post as not being in the spirit of teenage adulation, and old boy and parental vicariousness.

<where is that sarcasm smiley>

 

[Inside Shoulder]

good on TSC if kids are choosing to come in Yr 7 - Apprently their waiting list in yr 7 is enormous. Don't quite get your argument. Kids don't come to a new school for $$ reasons, they want to be in an environment that is going to progress their learning and development. As if a new kid cares about winning a GPS/CAS/ISA tournament, they want to get better themselves first and foremost. And if TSC can provide that good on them. Isn't Newignton the ones bringing kids in late? they don't have any success down the grades in any sport really.

More sudansese basketballers, water polo/tennis you name it. Apparently their cricket guy attends all the NSW camps.

Kids dont actually get to decide where they go to school. 11 year old kids I have known do not have firm views about "learning and development".
Parents sometimes do - but very often there is an aspirational element in their decisions about schooling.
Parents often make educational decisions for monetary reasons.
They're the dots.

 

[Inside Shoulder]

Nothing in life is even

there's a difference between life's rich tapestry and broadloom carpet

 

[Colin Windon]

I was at a game of village rugby the other week in the eastern suburbs where a 16s team made up of Scots and other local boys, less the elite who are now concentrating on school, were touched up badly. That team is now no longer active in that competition.

How I wish that score was closer.

Players and parents of the team were passionate rugby people.

Overlay the same situation on the uneven scholarship ridden school comps.

And the winner is..........

 

[I like to watch]

Following this commentary over the last few days, I have taken a moment today to review the TSC lineup for '13. The results are this:
In '13, 18 boys have taken the field, of which 4 started at TSC in Prep, 9 started in Year 7, 3 started Year 10, 2 started Year 11. The Year 10 boys - 1 in an international student (pretty common for international students to attend from year 10 or 11), 1 is an indig bursary (with the expansion of the indig program at TSC) and 1 of the Year 11 starters has a dad & grandfather who are old boys. The remaining 2 I am unsure.

At the TSC rugby lunch last week it was commented that against Kings, TSC won 90% of the 30-odd fixtures that day. Is that a school that is focusing solely on a 1st XV title?

Well may we question the intentions of Tight head Lion, a seemingly disgruntled ex-employee of 2 GPS schools (& seems to be angling for a job at Grammar now). Your Rugby 7s tournament comment is a sad reflection of the delusional world that only you live in - I could find no student who has popped up at TSC after attending that tournament.

Get on one of the Northern Beaches buses that the School provides.It is full of athletes on full or part Scholarships,for a variety of sports.
I know personally of kids that have been at the School since yr 7 and yr 9, on full Scholarships.So when you quote me these figures, I am not that impressed.

 

[lincoln]

Correct assessment - they also won 16A, 15a, 14a and 13a vs shore - this was also the case vs kings

In fact the team to watch at scots is the third XV - a great representation of depth of skill, tactical play and physical development

Winning with depth is far more enjoyable than just a top team being successful. This is not discussed or highlighted in Captain Kirks note, or THLs rant ??

Hmmm - 14 wins 17 losses 2 draws against Shore who went 3 and 39 against Joeys. Most of the wins in A/Bs - nuff said. As you say winning with depth is enjoyable but winning without scholarships is even more enjoyable.

 

[GTPIH]

How many boys from Scots made the primary schools CIS team in 2012?
How many boys from the CIS team turned up at Scots in 2013?
I haven't seen THLs comment on the rugby 7s but the advertising and sponsorship certainly set a new low in taste.
One may be able to buy class on the rugby field but not elsewhere.



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Two, one of whom made the NSWPSSA team (Grammar Edgecliff and Newington Prep also had a CIS representative each)
No idea, but as CIS is a private school rep team and most of the schools represented have senior schools, I suspect none. the Coogee Prep boy may have as it is a feeder school to Scots.
Compared to some advertising I've seen, I have no problem with the 7's advertising. Believe or not it, but advertising is apparently used quite frequently in the real world to help defray costs. I'd call it sound financial management by Scots. Where was your righteous indignation when your beloved Grammar attended a few years ago? The boys love it and those boys from Schools that refuse to play (due to it being played at Easter) wish they could play.

 

[Inside Shoulder]

I suspect none.

Wrong.

Believe or not it, but advertising is apparently used quite frequently in the real world to help defray costs

Its a school - if they cant afford to stage it they should either stop giving away money to sportmen, hock the hyperbaric chamber or have another rah rah rugby lunch.
Its very tacky.

Where was your righteous indignation when your beloved Grammar attended a few years ago

As soon as I became aware that mercenary, tasteless behaviour had reached a new low I started a thread. Waste some more of your time and search for it.
My real concern is with the damage the recruiters do to the game of rugby beyond the GPS schools - of course they dont give a shit. It's an easy way of attracting a certain type of fee paying parent and/or keeping the Old boys contented.