School sporting scholarships/recruitment
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David Wilson (68)
Indeed. It should be remembered that way back in 2011 the Liberals were elected and one of their commitments was to amend the entry criteria for High so that they weren't solely bound by the Selective Schools entrance test, but would be able to reserve some places for boys who still met a high academic standard and who could contribute to the school in terms of GPS sports.
It’s weird how so many are afraid to speak about this topic, I understand that some use it as a grenade for division, but that’s not where I’m coming from. I’d like to see a list of the last 50 premierships reconciled against bursaries and year 13 students. I’m all for school pride, but some schools have done things that others don’t, and where that’s the case, some humility would be in order.
Since we can focus on this, what AAGPS premiership is the most stained due to imported players?
Here is an excellent article from 2013.
https://www.smh.com.au/education/victory-spoils-the-sport-20130927-2ujor.html
Here is an excellent article from 2013.
https://www.smh.com.au/education/victory-spoils-the-sport-20130927-2ujor.html
1993 was a shocker for Scots. I was In year 12 and playing Manly colts with the Scots front row and wing. All imports. I think Ben Kennedy might have been a new (and potent) arrival at Joeys in year 10 a few years before as well (assuming he got a boys from the bush bursary or something?) I don’t think you can win a title these days without some supplementary talent. If you could limit the number of bursaries in the firsts to 3 or something I think that would help calm the chaos. Most schools are fairly subtle about it but Scots and Newington's approach lacks class at times.
I think other thing to note is that most of the schools have a net intake in Year 11, and few losses to apprenticeships / TAFE, which is the opposite of state schools.
So in some cases a kid who might be suspected of having a scholarship by third parties might be a genuine full fee paying student. Granted this is not always the case.
And parents do sacrifice a lot to get their kid to a school that meets their interests which will hopefully help them thrive.
If a kid is academically minded and interested in agriculture as a career, you'd be pushing them to James Ruse, if they are musically gifted it might be The Conservatory, even if another school supposedly has triangle scholarships.
And to be honest it's probably good for Australian rugby if a talented kid from Outer WoopWoop High ends up playing for a GPS school for two years in more competitive games. Less of a gain if they had been at Auggies or Oakhill.
And then you have the kids who play a different sport on Sunday, and who's school fees are paid by some corporate entity. A tough case - 90% are probably lost and are possibly preventing others playing reps, but just from the experience might you be able to keep some or tempt them back after a few years?
So in some cases a kid who might be suspected of having a scholarship by third parties might be a genuine full fee paying student. Granted this is not always the case.
And parents do sacrifice a lot to get their kid to a school that meets their interests which will hopefully help them thrive.
If a kid is academically minded and interested in agriculture as a career, you'd be pushing them to James Ruse, if they are musically gifted it might be The Conservatory, even if another school supposedly has triangle scholarships.
And to be honest it's probably good for Australian rugby if a talented kid from Outer WoopWoop High ends up playing for a GPS school for two years in more competitive games. Less of a gain if they had been at Auggies or Oakhill.
And then you have the kids who play a different sport on Sunday, and who's school fees are paid by some corporate entity. A tough case - 90% are probably lost and are possibly preventing others playing reps, but just from the experience might you be able to keep some or tempt them back after a few years?
The Chairman
Phil Hardcastle (33)
NC 2010 was pretty average...
Think of this thread as a "crying room".
It is place to go and make noise that does not disturb the proper rugby debate.
Of course rules must be followed and sanctions will be issued.
This thread takes the "word that shall not be mentioned" out of the sandpit we all play in.
It is place to go and make noise that does not disturb the proper rugby debate.
Of course rules must be followed and sanctions will be issued.
This thread takes the "word that shall not be mentioned" out of the sandpit we all play in.
Yeah, all of that is fine (I don’t know why) but I have a need to call out the BS that some forum dwellers have that ‘their school doesn’t do it’ even those with long a proud histories of success. Just a pet peeve, be honest.
Crashy
John Solomon (38)
Its pretty easy to 'do it' without 'doing it'. To be clear its not just rugby where bursaries are being offered around the traps -Basketball is another one.
One of the most easy ways to get around Rugby scholarships is where a deserving country kid gets a boarding bursery - 'congrats on joining us Stirling from Dubbo. Whats that? you're good at rugby?! well what a stroke of luck that is - you''ll fit right in here. Who would have thought it hey?'
From a personal perspective, I have no issues with this at all. Its when some of the school are poaching kids from other Sydney private schools - how St Augustines keep performing as they do despite getting the eyes picked out of their teams I do not know. ( granted they have a pretty big catchment area to themselves).
One of the most easy ways to get around Rugby scholarships is where a deserving country kid gets a boarding bursery - 'congrats on joining us Stirling from Dubbo. Whats that? you're good at rugby?! well what a stroke of luck that is - you''ll fit right in here. Who would have thought it hey?'
From a personal perspective, I have no issues with this at all. Its when some of the school are poaching kids from other Sydney private schools - how St Augustines keep performing as they do despite getting the eyes picked out of their teams I do not know. ( granted they have a pretty big catchment area to themselves).
Masterdebator
Frank Row (1)
High won 1sts football, rifle shooting, volleyball, won the fencing national championships and currently topping debating. Their rugby program is clearly an issue but not that bad for a school as a whole. Comparatively, Grammar haven't won nearly as much.
Yeah, that’s still doing it (which we’re all fine with these days) just be honest.