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School sporting scholarships/recruitment

Not in straight

Vay Wilson (31)
I'm new to this thread and slightly puzzled - it is a very active thread devoted to scholarships. How is it that they are precluded? In practice scholarship/ bursary recruitment seems to be the normal practice, so I can only conclude the so called agreement has been abandoned.

Which leads me to ask - if scholarships are a normal part of recruitment then why not allow others to contribute/ pay / sponsor? It allows kid who cannot afford it to go these great schools. Same happens in US colleges. If people want to spend their money in this way then why not?

AAGPS CODE OF PRACTICE

Code of Practice
In the light of these principles, the GPS Headmasters affirm the following code of practice:
  1. No inducements such as sporting scholarships, whether direct, disguised, or at arm’s length, shall be offered by any member school. Financial assistance to talented sportsmen shall not form part of the enrolment strategy of any member school.
  2. We affirm that the Headmaster of each school is responsible for knowing the special circumstances relating to the admission of boys to his school.
  3. In the selection and training of boys in teams or crews, the good of the individual boy shall remain paramount.
  4. While allowing for some exceptional circumstances, we believe that it is poor educational practice for a boy to engage in a single sport throughout the year.
The Headmasters of the GPS Schools of New South Wales, November, 2013.


@RF14 your question should be answered in point 1

Now the problem is @RF14, over the last 10 years or so some of the AAGPS Schools have played by this code and some have a thing called "anomalies" in their enrollments.

In other words, some schools have been actively BUYING success on the Rugby field to the detriment of others, most notably Grammar and Shore.
 

Spieber

Bob Loudon (25)
Re AAGPS - I thought there had been some sought of tacit agreement of no anomalies in enrollments after year 9 - hence more windbreakers, sunglasses, and clipboards at the PSSA rugby carnival.
 

Troy Dickson

Herbert Moran (7)
Re AAGPS - I thought there had been some sought of tacit agreement of no anomalies in enrollments after year 9 - hence more windbreakers, sunglasses, and clipboards at the PSSA rugby carnival.

The thing is what you are as a 12 year old is completely different to what you are as an 18 year old. Have a look at the 2010 and 2011 NSWPSSA rugby teams and tell me how many of those players have risen to be competitive as a 17 or 18 year old in GPS 2016 !! Not too many out of a total of 46 players (2010 + 2011 NSWPSSA teams).
 

Not in straight

Vay Wilson (31)
The thing is what you are as a 12 year old is completely different to what you are as an 18 year old. Have a look at the 2010 and 2011 NSWPSSA rugby teams and tell me how many of those players have risen to be competitive as a 17 or 18 year old in GPS 2016 !! Not too many out of a total of 46 players (2010 + 2011 NSWPSSA teams).
How many? And who are they?
 

Quick Hands

David Wilson (68)
On a different note, I understand that there are 19-year-old player(s) still at school who are too old to play First XV - so they've been dumped into the Second XV.

While it's certainly not the first time it's happened (Alex Gibbon, who starts for Brisbane City this weekend, did the same in 2010), I wonder how the AAGPS handles the too-old-to-play rules?

19 year old are ineligible to play in competitions organised by AAGPS, CAS and ISA.
 

The Honey Badger

Jim Lenehan (48)
19 year old are ineligible to play in competitions organised by AAGPS, CAS and ISA.


Found this on CAS website - cant find any other mention of it, but appears you are right Quick hands

Opens
Any boy turning 19 years old or younger in the year of competition is eligible to compete in the Opens age group ( for any sport other than Rugby – no boy may turn 20 years old ).
Rugby –
Any boy turning 19 in the calendar year may not play in Open’s CAS Rugby competition ( as per General Committee Term 1, 2009 ) due to the ARU directive regarding 2 Year Window. The Open competition is now an Under 18 Competition.
All boys turning 16 and playing in the Opens ( 1st XV ) ) MUST complete a “Senior Rugby / Two Year Window Disclosure Form” and have signed off by parent or guardian, level 2 coach and competition manager.
Any Front Rowers turning 16 and playing 1st XV MUST seek approval from ARU and their medical staff. Please see SPortsmaster for more details.
This is a directive from the Australian Rugby Union.
weigh down / up policy for Rugby
In Rugby, coaches are encouraged but is not compulsory to utilise the weigh-down laws as outlined in the Rugby by-laws.
 

Quick Hands

David Wilson (68)
So does anyone actually sight a birth certificate? Or is it just a matter of trust between the schools?

No sure, but in school associations, they play against the same boys boy 6 years, so if someone repeats it tends to stand out. Also the older boys aren't eligible for rep teams either.

But in the end it would be a matter of trust I think.
 

Not in straight

Vay Wilson (31)
No sure, but in school associations, they play against the same boys boy 6 years, so if someone repeats it tends to stand out. Also the older boys aren't eligible for rep teams either.

But in the end it would be a matter of trust I think.

Just seems to be a bit of confusion around this.

One school told a player the rules were he could play so long as he hadn't turned 19 by the first competition game. -Obviously the School is wrong.

It seems Riverview Old boys invested a Scholarship in a boy last year only to later find out he could not play Opens.

2 different schools both had wrong information.

Could it be there are U19 boys being playing??

And if I put my tin foil hat on, Does League play the same rules??



And then there are the boys doing Pathways and thats another related discussion.
 

Troy Dickson

Herbert Moran (7)
How many? And who are they?

2010 NSWPSSA Rugby team

Bayley Kuenzle: Newington 1st XV
Tyrone Taukamo: Newington 1st XV
Chris Scott: Riverview 1st XV
James Lynch: Kings 1st XV
Joe Skelly: Kings 1st XV
Charlie Jeavons-Fellows: Scots 1st XV
Matthew Orpen: Kings 1st XV

2011 NSWPSSA Rugby team

Mac Williams: Kings 1st XV
Dominic Easy: Riverview 1st XV
Rory Lynch: Newington College 1st XV
Triston Reilly: St Joseph's College 1st XV
 

Not in straight

Vay Wilson (31)
2010 NSWPSSA Rugby team

Bayley Kuenzle: Newington 1st XV
Tyrone Taukamo: Newington 1st XV
Chris Scott: Riverview 1st XV
James Lynch: Kings 1st XV
Joe Skelly: Kings 1st XV
Charlie Jeavons-Fellows: Scots 1st XV
Matthew Orpen: Kings 1st XV

2011 NSWPSSA Rugby team

Mac Williams: Kings 1st XV
Dominic Easy: Riverview 1st XV
Rory Lynch: Newington College 1st XV
Triston Reilly: St Joseph's College 1st XV

So 11 out of 46 players were at the highest level at Primary school and are now playing at the highest level GPS, and some at state level. So roughly 1/4.

You would think many of the other boys would be in the other Associations.

So you could assume a fairly high conversion rate between Primary school star and at least making it to school 1st XV.
 

Inside Shoulder

Nathan Sharpe (72)
2010 NSWPSSA Rugby team

Bayley Kuenzle: Newington 1st XV
Tyrone Taukamo: Newington 1st XV
Chris Scott: Riverview 1st XV
James Lynch: Kings 1st XV
Joe Skelly: Kings 1st XV
Charlie Jeavons-Fellows: Scots 1st XV
Matthew Orpen: Kings 1st XV

2011 NSWPSSA Rugby team

Mac Williams: Kings 1st XV
Dominic Easy: Riverview 1st XV
Rory Lynch: Newington College 1st XV
Triston Reilly: St Joseph's College 1st XV
you left out from 2010 the AAGPS 1st XV 5/8
 

Not in straight

Vay Wilson (31)
So 11 out of 46 players were at the highest level at Primary school and are now playing at the highest level GPS, and some at state level. So roughly 1/4.

You would think many of the other boys would be in the other Associations.

So you could assume a fairly high conversion rate between Primary school star and at least making it to school 1st XV.


12 out of 46 in GPS alone.

Think the PSSA probably a very good hunting ground,

Conversion rate looks ok

4 X Kings
3 X New
2 X View
1X Scots
1 X Joeys
1 X Grammar
0 X Shore
0 X High
? X TAS
 

loiterer

Sydney Middleton (9)
12 out of 46 in GPS alone.

Think the PSSA probably a very good hunting ground,

Conversion rate looks ok

4 X Kings
3 X New
2 X View
1X Scots
1 X Joeys
1 X Grammar
0 X Shore
0 X High
? X TAS
These figures will no doubt increase over coming years as more players from the PSSA team themselves are offered places at GPS schools. However, I am not too sure that the PSSA selectors always get it right. There must be many more players in the GPS who played in the PSSA tournament in the various different teams that have also made it to the 1sts.
 

Not in straight

Vay Wilson (31)
These figures will no doubt increase over coming years as more players from the PSSA team themselves are offered places at GPS schools. However, I am not too sure that the PSSA selectors always get it right. There must be many more players in the GPS who played in the PSSA tournament in the various different teams that have also made it to the 1sts.

I am sure there are plenty, but this is just from the 23 Named from the state team. (Do they actually go on and play anyone??)


The assertion was that only a few boys who make it to state level at Primary school are still at Top level come Schoolboy Opens.

Either GPS is very good a picking up the ones that do, or else a high proportion of them must go onto at least 1st XV level for schools. 5 players named played State level at Champs & 1 made Australia A. Pretty sure there will be 2 there next year as well.
 

Troy Dickson

Herbert Moran (7)
I am sure there are plenty, but this is just from the 23 Named from the state team. (Do they actually go on and play anyone??).

http://www.aru.com.au/tryrugby/News...D/4711/NSW-PSSA-U12-Team-win-the-Shields.aspx

he NSW PSSA Rugby Squad has successfully defended their title at the School Sport Australia Interstate Rugby Union exchange at concord Oval in Sydney. In its 10th year they won the Phil Waugh & Trevor Allan Shields with sensational performances on Tuesday 4th and Wednesday 5th October.

The future of Waratah & Wallaby rugby is very promising if these players continue to progress through junior rugby pathways. Their coaches and parents, as well as the spectators, who watched them in action, have little doubt a number of the squad have the potential to go all the way.

After two training warm up matches against Kings U13s and Hunters hill U13s, followed by a great session at Concord Oval, on the Monday before the tournament, the squad was in devastating form to outclass the brave ACT, SA and Victoria’s 12 Years Squads.

The first match of the tournament saw NSW flex their muscle against ACT, running out 39-0 winners. With teammates adjusting to the tempo and surroundings a few pushed passes and lack of ball security were areas to improve on for the later matches. As combinations started to click, the team then started to hit their straps in game 2 against SA. They ran in some fantastic tries winning 59-0.

This set up a great contest between the NSW and Victoria on day two as both teams were undefeated. ACT played SA to see who finished 3rd and 4th and a great fight back saw SA win 15-14.

The NSW - Victoria match was of an excellent standard. NSW started very well and pressure in the Victorian 22 saw three ties in short succession. The forwards constantly got over the gain line allowing the backs time and space to use the ball. The free flowing game continued and saw Victoria score just before half time to take the score to 19-7.

Even though the Victorians enjoyed the majority of possession in the first 10 minutes of the second stanza the NSW defence really showed up. Once NSW weathered the storm they again ran the ball between forwards and backs alike producing some scintillating play. Four more tries flowed and the score finished 36-7.

The individuals to receive awards from NSW were;

Player of the Tournament (judged by the Tournament Director and his committee)
Alan Davies, Utility Forward (St Finbars, Glenbrook)

NSW Most Valuable Player (points awarded for each match by each coach)
Nicholas Frost, Number 8/Second Row, (Berowra Public)

NSW Most Improved (as decided by NSW Coach/Manager)
Liam Cornish, Utility Forward, (Waverley College)

NSW Players' Player (points from each squad member after each match)
Tre Finau, Fullback, (St Patricks Griffith)

Coaches' Award (as decided by NSW Coach/Manager)
Dominic Easy, Openside breakaway, (Holy Spirit North Ryde) and Triston Reilly, 5/8, (South West Rocks).

The NSW PSSA Rugby Squad was; Alexander Apthorpe Holy Trinity, Inverell – Polding, Rory Lynch St Aloysius, Cronulla – Mackillop, Oregon Kaufusi Barnier Public School - Sydney West, Mac Williams Mosman Public School - Sydney North, Nicholas Frost Berowra Public School - Sydney North, Alan Davies St Finbars, Glenbrook – Mackillop, Bailey Lamb Gwynneville Public School - South Coast, Liam Cornish Waverley – CIS, Ben Hansen Knox Grammar – CIS, Triston Reilly South West Rocks - North Coast, Samuel Villata Beelbangera Public School – Riverina, Zac Lomax St Anne's Temora – Mackillop, Jesse Stevens Assumption Bathurst – Polding, Harry Haywood Balgowlah Heights - Sydney North, Tre Finau St Patricks Griffith – Mackillop, Max Cutrone Knox Grammar – CIS, Hugo Traine South Coogee - Sydney East, Sam Abbey Holy Family Parkes – Polding, Dominic Easy Holy Spirit Ryde – Mackillop, Jaiden Burke St Patricks Trundle – Polding, Jaemon Salmon OLF Carringbah – Mackillop, Will Harrison OLR Kensington - Mackillop
 

Troy Dickson

Herbert Moran (7)
2010 NSW PSSA team result

http://www.nswrugby.com.au/Portals/35/NSWRugby/documents/annual-reports/NSWRU-Annual-Report-2010.pdf

PRIMARY SCHOOL SPORTS
ASSOCIATION
The NSWPSSA has once again greatly
benefited from its continued relationship
with NSWRU with the funding put to great
use, assisting each regional side and knockout
semi finalist with a travel grant, purchase of
footballs for our state championships and
knockout finals day and by paying all the team
levies for our state championships. Again, it
was wonderful to see all the Development
Staff from NSWRU/ARU in attendance at our
State Carnival.
The Bryan Palmer Shield was a great success,
although we are a little concerned that fewer
teams had entered compared to last year.
A few rule changes regards gala days and
numbers per side should this improve in
2011. Newport defeated Illaroo Road and
Alstonville defeated Dubbo South in the
semi-finals, before Newport defeated a quick
finishing Alstonville 15-10 in a close final.
Riverina hosted the State Carnival at Camden
in August. CIS defeated Sydney East 13-12
in one of the closest finals ever witnessed
at our carnival. In 2011, the Carnival will be
hosted by Western Region in Cowra.
The Interstate Exchange was hosted by
South Australia. This involved teams from
NSWPSSA, ACT U12, Victoria U12 and South
Australia U12. NSWPSSA were the dominant
team in this carnival, remaining undefeated
with only one try being scored against them.
The Exchange will take place in NSW in 2011
with an approach already made to Canada
Bay Council about using the world class
venue, Concord Oval, for next year’s carnival.
 
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