S14: SA Derbies

[PaarlBok]

Decided to throw the two matches in one thread.

Cheetahs vs Brutes:
Cheetahs team
Riaan Viljoen, Lionel Mapoe, Corné Uys, Meyer Bosman, Jongi Nokwe, Naas Olivier, Tewis de Bruyn, Ashley Johnson, Juan Smith (k), Heinrich Brüssow, David de Villiers, Nico Breedt, WP Nel, Adriaan Strauss, Wian du Preez. Substitutes: Ryno Barnes, Coenie Oosthuizen, Walti Vermeulen, Frans Viljoen, Sarel Pretorius, Sias Ebersohn, Danwel Demas.

Super Rugby debuts for some promising Tin Ears.

Riaan Viljoen (fullback), Lionel Mapoe (right wing) and Ashley Johnson (No 8) will make their debut in the starting team, while Ryno Barnes (hooker), Coenie Oosthuizen (prop), Walti Vermeulen (lock) and Sias Ebersohn (flyhalf) will get the chance to play off the substitutes bench for the first time.

 

[Blue]

Re: Round 1: SA Derbys (Tin Ears vs Brutes & Lions vs Stormers)

That Cheetahs front 5 is going to give a lot of teams a lot of problems.

I have an uneasy feeling about this game.

 

[PaarlBok]

Re: Round 1: SA Derbys (Tin Ears vs Brutes & Lions vs Stormers)

They sure have the best set of losies with it. Quite surprise to see Sarel Pretorius on the bench. Also hoping young Sias Ebersohn will break through at this level, never was a big Naas or Louis fan.

Also not at ease with the Lions. Unknown quantity at this stage and bot home teams know they have to win at home. The Stormers usually slow starters and if they and the Brutes get the first games win , they'll be ready for their home run on slaughts.

 

[Thomond78]

Re: Round 1: SA Derbys (Tin Ears vs Brutes & Lions vs Stormers)

That Cheetahs front 5 is going to give a lot of teams a lot of problems.

I have an uneasy feeling about this game.

Onse Wiantjie! :yay

 

[PaarlBok]

Re: Round 1: SA Derbys (Tin Ears vs Brutes & Lions vs Stormers)

Zane Kirchner, Gerhard van den Heever, Jaco Pretorius, Wynand Olivier, Francois Hougaard, Morné Steyn, Fourie du Preez (v/c), Pierre Spies, Pedrie Wannenburg, Deon Stegmann, Victor Matfield (c), Danie Rossouw, Werner Kruger, Gary Botha, Gurthrö Steenkamp. Replacements: Bandise Maku, Bees Roux, Flip vd Merwe, Derick Kuün, Heini Adams, Jacques-Louis Potgieter, Stephan Dippenaar.

Milestones:

Wannenburg will play in his 99th game for the Bulls
Botha will play in his 50th game for the Bulls.
Roux and Van der Merwe, when called upon, will make their debut for the Bulls. Both have played Super 14 rugby for the Cheetahs before.
Botha (2007) and Potgieter (2007) return to the Bulls fray after two seasons away from the team

 

[PaarlBok]

Re: Round 1: SA Derbys (Tin Ears vs Brutes & Lions vs Stormers)

Willem de Waal , Frikkie Welsch, Juries, P Myburgh & Elstadt has been release to play for WP Vodacom against SWD on saturday.

So no genl Willem then and a probable Stormers team could look like
15 Joe Pietersen, 14 Gio Aplon, 13 Jaque Fourie, 12 Juan de Jongh, 11 Bryan Habana, 10 Peter Grant, 9 Dewaldt Duvenage, 8 Duane Vermeulen, 7 Francois Louw, 6 Schalk Burger (c), 5 Andries Bekker, 4 De Kock Steenkamp, 3 Brok Harris, 2 Tiaan Liebenberg, 1 Wicus Blaauw.
Subs: 16 Deon Fourie, 17 JC Kritzinger, 18 Anton van Zyl, 19 Pieter Louw, 20 Ricky Januarie, 21 Lionel Cronje, 22 Sireli Naqelevuki.

 

[Ash]

Re: Round 1: SA Derbys (Tin Ears vs Brutes & Lions vs Stormers)

Hmmm, interesting that Juries isn't wanted on the bench.

Think the Stormers will easily accounter for the Lions, by maybe 10+ points.

Think the Brutes will beat the Cheetahs too, but it will be closer than a lot of people around Aus / NZ think.

 

[Blue]

Re: Round 1: SA Derbys (Tin Ears vs Brutes & Lions vs Stormers)

Hmmm, interesting that Juries isn't wanted on the bench.

Think the Stormers will easily accounter for the Lions, by maybe 10+ points.

Think the Brutes will beat the Cheetahs too, but it will be closer than a lot of people around Aus / NZ think.

Bout right. Bulls / Cheethas game are traditional shitfights.

Just worry about injuries.

 

[PaarlBok]

Re: Round 1: SA Derbys (Tin Ears vs Brutes & Lions vs Stormers)

Yep the Stormers vs Lions are also going to be close. We dont know much about the Lions but the word I got from their inner den is that they will be hungry. You never ever underestimate when Dick Muir and Ackerman is involve in coaching. The Stormers lost to them in the CC in the last round and I expect the Lions to be a tougher team they had that day.

 

[PaarlBok]

Re: Round 1: SA Derbys (Tin Ears vs Brutes & Lions vs Stormers)

Lions team

1. Heinke van der Merwe
2. Hannes Franklin
3. Kevin Buys
4. Jacques Lombaard
5. Willem Stoltz
6. Cobus Grobbelaar
7. Franco van der Merwe
8. Jonathan Mokuena
9. JP
10. Carlos Spencer
11. Mjevuku
12. Doppies la Grange
13. Deon van Rensburg
14. Tonderai Chavhanga
15. Earl Rose

 

[Thomond78]

Re: Round 1: SA Derbys (Tin Ears vs Brutes & Lions vs Stormers)

Lions team

1. Heinke van der Merwe
2. Hannes Franklin
3. Kevin Buys
4. Jacques Lombaard
5. Willem Stoltz
6. Cobus Grobbelaar
7. Franco van der Merwe
8. Jonathan Mokuena
9. JP
10. Carlos Spencer
11. Mjevuku
12. Doppies la Grange
13. Deon van Rensburg
14. Tonderai Chavhanga
15. Earl Rose

A back three with paaaaaaaaaaacccceeee. If they could only stop being so damn flaky, they really should do better.

 

[PaarlBok]

Re: Round 1: SA Derbys (Tin Ears vs Brutes & Lions vs Stormers)

Mjevuku is a bit of a dicey one. Play U19 last year and now thrown into the deep end by Muir. Also glad to not see Walter Venter in 12 (Vis from proteas kid), deadly defender. Pack look solid tho.

 

[PaarlBok]

Re: Round 1: SA Derbys (Tin Ears vs Brutes & Lions vs Stormers)

Stormers – 15 Joe Pietersen, 14 Gio Aplon, 13 Jaque Fourie, 12 Juan de Jongh, 11 Bryan Habana, 10 Peter Grant, 9 Dewaldt Duvenage, 8 Duane Vermeulen, 7 Francois Louw, 6 Schalk Burger (c), 5 Andries Bekker, 4 De Kock Steenkamp, 3 Brok Harris, 2 Tiaan Liebenberg, 1 Wicus Blaauw.
Subs: 16 Deon Fourie, 17 JC Kritzinger, 18 Anton van Zyl, 19 Pieter Louw, 20 Ricky Januarie, 21 Lionel Cronje, 22 Sireli Naqelevuki.

Quite surprise to see the younger Galpil Steenkamp brother starting in lock. Pitty we dont have Hendrik Gerber to counter King Carlos but still hoping either him or Rose to pass at least twice the ball to Habana. The Lions maybe have the better pack but this Stormer backline simply will have to much stung in the backline. Expecting Grant to feed the wide runners. Look out for the young Cronje playing from the bench.

 

[PaarlBok]

Re: Round 1: SA Derbys (Tin Ears vs Brutes & Lions vs Stormers)

More info on the Lions thinking

Lions site

Getting the basics right

The Auto and Generals Lions’ director of coaching Dick Muir on Thursday announced the Lions side for their first Super 14 match of the season against the Stormers at Coca-Cola Park on Saturday.

Ons of the expected surprises in the starting side is teenager Wandile Mjekevu on the left wing. He is one of six new players in the starting line-up and one of nine in the match-22.

Carlos Spencer has been selected as the flyhalf. He will be partnered at halfback by another newcomer in JP Joubert, former Bulls and Cheetahs scrumhalf.

Springbok and former Stormers wing Tonderai Chavanga starts on the left wing. Up front, last year’s inspirational Griquas skipper and No 8 Jonothan Mokuena is a new face as is his lock mate from Kimberley Jacques Lombard.

Pumas hooker and captain of last year, Hannes Franklin, is another newcomer to the Lions Super 14 side who also gets a run from the lesser-known unions.

Tighthead prop Kevin Buys has an injury and Ross Geldenhuys, who was loaned to the Blue Bulls towards the end of last season, is back in favour.

Charles Emslie, a retreaded No 8 at hooker, former Bulls flyhalf Burton Francis and Puma scrumhalf Jacque Coetzee are the three newcomers on the bench.

It looks a solid enough team, and the only question that can be raised is whether they will be able to find one another without any game time together.

Notable omissions from the side are last year’s number two scrumhalf Chris Jonck, former Springbok prop Lawrence Sephaka, former Bok lock Jannes Labuschangne, former Bok wing Henno Mentz and regulars from last year’s Lions and Golden Lions sides Hans van Dyk, Robert Kruger, Herkie Kruger, Pieter Engelbrecht, Ruan Boshoff and Jannie Boshoff.

 

[PaarlBok]

Re: Round 1: SA Derbys (Tin Ears vs Brutes & Lions vs Stormers)

The Cheetah Bulls match next. Looking forward to this one and expecting a brutal match

Detail per SA Rugby.com

Player/match stats:

· Jonathan Kaplan, who is SA's most capped Vodacom Super 14 referee, will blow the whistle for the 67th time in Bloemfontein.

· Juan Smith extends his record for the most appearances for the Vodacom Cheetahs to 70 caps and as captain to 34.

· Centre Meyer Bosman wins his 50th cap and is the leading points-scorer (152) of the Vodacom Cheetahs.

· Coenie Oosthuizen (20), who represented the SA Under-20s at last year’s IRB Junior World Championship, is the youngest player in the Vodacom Cheetahs squad, while lock Nico Breedt is the oldest player at 31.

· Morne Steyn (494) could become SA’s third player to score more than 500 points in Super Rugby. Andre Pretorius (645) and Louis Koen (555) are still leading the pack.

· Pedrie Wannenburg will earn his 99th cap on Friday evening, while Gary Botha will run out for his 50th appearance in Super Rugby.

· Bees Roux and Flip van der Merwe could make their debut for the Pretoria outfit from the bench against their old team.

· Seating capacity at Vodacom Park - 46 000.

Lions vs Stormers (understand the tickets are selling hot stuff for this match) Watch Peyper reffing, think he is one of the best young up and coming SA ones.

Player/match stats:

· Referee Jaco Peyper, who made his Vodacom Super 14 debut last year, will take charge of his second Super Rugby match in Johannesburg.

· Carlos Spencer (96) is the most experienced player in the Auto & General Lions team. Captain Cobus Grobbelaar is the second most experienced with 57 caps.

· Springbok centre Jaque Fourie and winger Bryan Habana will make their debut for the Vodacom Stormers on Saturday.

· Peter Grant is the co-record holder along with Braam van Straaten for the most conversions in a career – 66.

· Anton van Zyl could make his debut for the Vodacom Stormers against the team in which he played in all 13 matches last season.

· Schalk Burger (captain), Ricky Januarie, Duane Vermeulen and Grant, played in all 13 Vodacom Super 14 games last season.

· Auto & General Lions winger Wandile Mjekevu, who represented the SA Under-18 High Performance squad in international friendlies against France and Namibia last year, will make his debut for the Johannesburg franchise.

· The Auto & General Lions will be playing in a newly designed jersey in 2010.

· Seating capacity at Coca-Cola Park – 62 300.

Sharks vs Chiefs

Player/match stats:

· John Smit, who last captained the Sharks in the 2007 Vodacom Super 14 final, will captain the Sharks for a record 45th time. Smit also holds the record for the most games in a career – 98.

· Rory Kockott was the Sharks top points scorer in both the 2009 and 2008 seasons with 116 and 70 points respectively.

· Stefan Terblanche (34) is the oldest player in the Sharks squad and is the third oldest player in this season’s Vodacom Super 14.

· Jacques Botes played 58 consecutive Super Rugby games since 29 May 2005. A Sharks record.

· Seating capacity at The Absa Stadium – 54 000.

 

[PaarlBok]

Re: Round 1: SA Derbys (Tin Ears vs Brutes & Lions vs Stormers)

Brutes was clinical , Stormers OK but the rest disappointing. Thought the Kiwi ref plus Cockette unability to play in the wet cost the Sharks. The Lions show some teeth in the second half and strecthed the Stormers defense to the limit. Habana and Mossie show their value for us and I am sure the Stormers adabted the best to the new ref rulings of all teams. King Carlos was disappointing and totally lost it when he saw Schalk in his sight. Shame. Pretty confident for saturdays clash with the Tahs but we need to play for 80 minutes.

 

[PaarlBok]

Round 2 Sharks vs Tin Ears:

Tin Ears team
15 Riaan Viljoen, 14 Danwel Demas, 13 Lionel Mapoe, 12 Meyer Bosman, 11 Jongi Nokwe, 10 Naas Olivier, 9 Tewis de Bruyn, 8 Frans Viljoen, 7 Juan Smith (c), 6 Heinrich Brussow, 5 David de Villiers, 4 Nico Breedt, 3 WP Nel, 2 Adriaan Strauss, 1 Wian du Preez.
Replacements: 16 Ryno Barnes, 17 Coenie Oosthuizen, 18 Waltie Vermeulen, 19 Ashley Johnson, 20 Sarel Pretorius, 21 Sias Ebersohn, 22 Hennie Daniller

Interesting to move Mapoe to 13. The Tin Ears problem is their defense in the 10/12/13 channel. Well they plays their bitches the Sharks who have vokkel in that channel aswell, so dont be surprise for a upset like in the CC semi on friday. The Tin Ears usually strike when you think they are down and out.

 

[Blue]

Picking the Cheetahs. The Sharks look clueless.

 

[PaarlBok]

They (Sharks) have been pretty disappointing in round 1. The ref was useless then Donald and Cockette try their best to lose the match for their teams in the rain, then flippen Bismarck Doep join Cockette, game over.

Anyway I think the Sharks have bigger problems then we think. They dont have Varsity Cup teams to strengthen their structure and now living of Lion poaches after the Tin Ears kept their own lot.

 

[PaarlBok]

Sharks – 15. Stefan Terblanche, 14. Odwa Ndungane, 13. Waylon Murray, 12. Adrian Jacobs, 11. JP Pietersen, 10. Ruan Pienaar, 9. Rory Kockott, 8. Ryan Kankowski, 7. Jean Deysel, 6. Jacques Botes, 5. Alistair Hargreaves, 4. Steven Sykes, 3. Jannie du Plessis , 2. John Smit (c), 1. Tendai Mtawarira.
Subs: 16. Bismarck du Plessis, 17. Deon Carstens, 18. Willem Alberts, 19 Keegan Daniel, 20. Charl McLeod, 21. Monty Dumond, 22. Andries Strauss.


Look like a better Sharks team, Smit's ton game.