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RWC trials for 6N teams & discussion of NH squads

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Lee Grant

John Eales (66)
Wales 19 England 9

Have just had time to watch this game.

If Oz gets to play England in the RWC I hope the Poms perform like that again because they hardly threatened the line and the few times they did, they couldn't convert. Once 115 kgs winger Banahan, going full pelt, was hauled down front on by 80 kg opponent S. Williams, and he knocked on. Amazing. It appeared that 15. S.Jones assisted in the tackle but on replay it showed Jones wasn't needed.

This was just one example of the accurate and powerful defence of Wales, who played for 20 minutes with only 14 men.

• England had all the possession and territory until the last 25 minutes of the game. They were dominant at oranges, yet the score was 6-6. At the 47 min. mark they showed a TV caption that the Poms had been in the Wales 22 for 6 mins and not scored a try. At the 50 minute mark there was another that indicated that the Poms had 5 of the 10 minutes of the 2nd half in the same area – yet Wales were a man short for most of that time – and still no try.

• I looked like England were the same team as 4 years ago. Their expansive game against the Wallabies on our last EOYT and sometimes in 6N, was gone. To be fair, winger Ashton, their most explosive back, did not play, but they should have done better. 13. Tindall made a couple of breaks but the midfield was otherwise groaningly bland. 12. Hape was poor when England had the ball. M. Tulagi, though a 13, and only 20 years old, would have done better, and Armitage also. Perhaps Tindall should move to 12 to let one of them play at outside centre.

• The score would have been different if the Poms went for a few early penalty kicks instead of for the line, and if Rolland had awarded them a penalty try for repeated Wales scrum infringements in the first half - but Wales won't care. Rolland will probably get a good mark from his assessor but in my opinion he should have carded somebody in the 1st half. The players lost respect for him because he let them stay on the park after they were penalised 17 times – 11/6 to Wales. Then after he carded somebody early in the 2nd half they were like Goody Two Shoes.

• The Wales lineout was poor, especially in the 1st half, and the scrum wasn't much better, but at least they know the scrum will improve when their star props, G. Jenkins and A. Jones, are fit, though Jenkins may miss the opening RWC game against the Boks.

• For most of the game some of the England technical things like, scrums, lineouts, restarts and holding up Wales mauls were good, (though some of their own mauls were ordinary) - but there was no creativity, no ice cream, after this main meal. As the 2nd half went on Wales got the better of the ruck contests. They looked fitter and had more at the breakdown, sooner. The tired looking Poms were not committing then and paid the price.

• Wales have done well in their first two games of the season and will bother the Boks who they play in 25 days time as I write this. Regular skipper 2. Rees and 12. Henson, who had an excellent half-hour against England before his injury, will miss the RWC, but the others will do them proud.

• England have too many good players not to get better but they have to do something about their midfield and improve the quality, rather than the quantity, of their ball, through their backrowers. These three compared poorly to Wales, especially the excellent flankers, Lydiard and Warburton, and I doubt if the presently injured Moody, who has played so little rugby in the last 12 months anyway, will make much of a difference at the RWC.
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Nusadan

Chilla Wilson (44)
With Wales and Samoa looking good, I further don't fancy the Saffies' chances of progressing past the pool stage in the RWC so the 40/1 odds of that happening looks good...
 

tigerland12

John Thornett (49)
With Wales and Samoa looking good, I further don't fancy the Saffies' chances of progressing past the pool stage in the RWC so the 40/1 odds of that happening looks good...

That group will be awesome to watch unfold....except poor Namibia, feel for them!

I actually think Samoa has the goods to progress from this group, they will beat either Wales or the South Africans to qualify imo. Then you have Fiji who on their day turn it on, although last year or so they have slipped dramatically.
 

Larno

Ward Prentice (10)
Can't comment on the other trials at the weekend, but I had the misfortune to witness the France-Ireland game from the Cat 1 seats opposite the press box in the Aviva. We started with some nice intent but then the French woke up.

I reckon Lievremont would do well to persist with that bastard Heymans at fullback. Contributed more in one game that Damien Traille has this whole year.

From an Ireland perspective I was pleased to see Sean O'Brien have another good game and also to see one man GBH machine Stephen Ferris get through about 25 minutes with much the same application he displayed prior to his injury. Tomas O'Leary will be sweating, some of his passing was terrible.
 

Thomond78

Colin Windon (37)
Can't comment on the other trials at the weekend, but I had the misfortune to witness the France-Ireland game from the Cat 1 seats opposite the press box in the Aviva. We started with some nice intent but then the French woke up.

I reckon Lievremont would do well to persist with that bastard Heymans at fullback. Contributed more in one game that Damien Traille has this whole year.

From an Ireland perspective I was pleased to see Sean O'Brien have another good game and also to see one man GBH machine Stephen Ferris get through about 25 minutes with much the same application he displayed prior to his injury. Tomas O'Leary will be sweating, some of his passing was terrible.

Sexton was pretty piss-poor even with Reddan there.

By now, the pattern is clear; if Sexton is put under any pressure, he retreats, faster than Larno's avatar (and that's saying something) into the safety of lying so deep he's looking up at lobsters. From there, he passes. Every. Damn. Time. Not to where the centres should be, but to where they are, lying deep off him. So, by the time the tackle is made, the pack have to come back about 10-15 metres - and people then wonder why we lose the collisions.

ROG is lying flatter, and bringing players onto the ball, giving the pack a chance. And, quelle surprise, it works.

I'd try Sexton at 12. But at the moment, bar England - where the pack just tore into England regardless - he has been consistently making a sow's ear out of silk purse possession all season. ROG is playing better than him at test level, simple as that.

Felix Jones is out of the RWC with a foot ligament injury, and I'm gutted for him. Tomás should be out. And I pray to God David Wallace is okay.
 

Jnor

Peter Fenwicke (45)
By now, the pattern is clear; if Sexton is put under any pressure, he retreats, faster than Larno's avatar (and that's saying something) into the safety of lying so deep he's looking up at lobsters.

Great turn of phrase Thomo
 

Thomond78

Colin Windon (37)
I will hold my hand up and admit it's a lift from the phrase in OomPBTaal "Laer as kreef kak" - "lower than lobster shit".
 
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potogold

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i am not worried at all by 3 defeats in a row for ireland. i would rather be where we are now, than where england are. because they will get thumped by ireland again at the aviva.
ireland showed what they can do but when theres a pathetic ref, combined with a terrible tomas o leary, + morgan parra being a freak with the boot, france will take advantage which they did.
i mean seriously, how can you give a penalty for a knock down when sean o brien was trying to intercept the ball,,,as he was running back towards HIS OWN LINE, so it wasnt a knock on it was a drop ball, seriously????
 

Lee Grant

John Eales (66)
Ireland lost another warm-up game last week, losing to France at home. They started well but stumbled along as France played some of their best rugby for a while. At the end France took their foot off the throat and Ireland came back with a couple of converted tries, but it didn't disguise an unimpressive performance.



Ireland's RWC squad didn't have many surprises. Like Oz their depth is not great and, also like Oz, injuries to a few positions such as THP and LHP, or to any of 2 or 3 other individuals, could be catastrophic.

You had to feel sorry for up and comer fullback Felix Jones. He jumped up for a high ball against France, twisted around, landed with his foot turned, and was out of the RWC. The excellent old stager Geordan Murphy will go instead. There's irony in that as Murphy broke his leg just before the 2003 RWC. He also missed a lot of the 2010/11 season and at one stage was at long odds to be on the plane to NZ.

One shock to some was the omission of scrummie Tomas O'Leary in favour of young Munster team mate Conor Murray, who will be with Reddan and Boss at the RWC. TOL had a series of injuries last season including a freak one when he was pulling a training sled. The elastic broke and struck him in the eye and this accident gave Murray a chance at Munster. Sliding doors.

One of the young galacticos, Luke Fitzgerald, missed out also. He played well off the bench against France, but he didn't have a great 2010/11 season after injuring his knee early, whereas the form of the likes of McFadden and Earls has been undeniable.

Old stager props LHP Horan and THP Hayes won't be on the plane either, nor will another regular Munster scrummie, Stringer. On the other hand experienced hooker, Flannery, has proved his fitness after a long layoff.

Ireland haven't played well in the trials to date, but if they get to their form finishing 6N this year, smacking England, they will be more than a match for the Wallabies in Rd 2 of the Pool matches.


Ireland RWC squad

Forwards: Rory Best, Jerry Flannery, Sean Cronin, Cian Healy, Mike Ross, Tom Court, Tony Buckley, Paul O’Connell, Donncha O’Callaghan, Leo Cullen, Donncha Ryan, Seán O’Brien, Jamie Heaslip, David Wallace, Denis Leamy, Stephen Ferris.
Backs: Eoin Reddan, Isaac Boss, Conor Murray, Jonathan Sexton, Ronan O’Gara, Gordon D’Arcy, Brian O’Driscoll, Paddy Wallace, Fergus McFadden, Keith Earls, Tommy Bowe, Andrew Trimble, Rob Kearney, Geordan Murphy.
 
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