RWC QF 4 AUS v SCO (Twickenham) 19th Oct 0200 AEDT

[Gnostic]

I was being diplomatic.

I can imagine the look the computer was getting while you typed, I've seen it before somewhere, there may even be photographic evidence of it @Sully.

 

[Bullrush]

 

[Hugh Jarse]

And outside the Referee Debriefing Room at Twickenham

 

[Braveheart81]

This would have all been a lot simpler if Joubert had just awarded a penalty to the Wallaby scrum when Welsh stood up under pressure rather than resetting it.

 

[Quick Hands]

^^^Scottish you mean.

 

[Braveheart81]

^^^Scottish you mean.

Who's on first?

Third base.

 

[mudskipper]

View attachment 7124

Indeed suitable example... Australian director, Australian lead actor... Same result, Scots loose too...

 

[JJJ]

I reckon after all this carry on that the next time we play them we'll put them to the fucking sword. Probably in front of a full house, if it's in Scotland.

 

[Dewald Nel]

I reckon after all this carry on that the next time we play them we'll put them to the fucking sword. Probably in front of a full house, if it's in Scotland.

Not if the last 4 matches between you and them are anything to go by.

 

[GunnerDownUnder]

Can we please close this subject?
We lost we will moan but get over it!
Sites are now advocating violence against traveling fans
Please close before we get to this
We are rugby supporters first and foremost

 

[cyclopath]

^^^^^
Well, an easy solution would be if anyone who feels the need to post something sniping one way or the other just stopped, it would die down. But I agree, it has really passed its used-by date.

 

[GunnerDownUnder]

Or if we all met next Monday morning and had a few jars together we would soon realise we are just glad the english won't win it!

 

[Dewald Nel]

Or if we all met next Monday morning and had a few jars together we would soon realise we are just glad the english won't win it!

+535124!

/waits for cyclopath to call me out on a snipy comment

 

[Alex]

I think it isn't an intentional knock on because the ball doesn't touch the ground. You have to read the laws together.

DEFINITION: KNOCK-ON
A knock-on occurs when a player loses possession of the ball and it goes forward, or when a player hits the ball forward with the hand or arm, or when the ball hits the hand or arm and goes forward, and the ball touches the ground or another player before the original player can catch it.
‘Forward’ means towards the opposing team’s dead ball line.

12.1 The outcome of a knock-on or throw forward

(f)
Intentional knock or throw forward. A player must not intentionally knock the ball forward with hand or arm, nor throw forward.

When you read all three in concert (f) doesn't apply because no knock on occurred. ​

Was this the law that was apocryphally changed to prevent the practice attributed to Dally Messenger of throwing the ball over the heads of defenders, running past and catching it on the other side? Probably a question for Lee Grant or Bruce Ross?

 

[Dewald Nel]

Was this the law that was apocryphally changed to prevent the practice attributed to Dally Messenger of throwing the ball over the heads of defenders, running past and catching it on the other side? Probably a question for Lee Grant or Bruce Ross?

Yes. Basically you are not allowed to throw the ball forward intentionally at any time, otherwise it's a penalty.

 

[Pfitzy]

Or if we all met next Monday morning and had a few jars together we would soon realise we are just glad the english won't win it!

Testify!

 

[Mr Doug]

"The boot was on the other foot", for me today.
Watching our Grandson in the 8 year-old touch footy comp on the Gold Coast. Given that some tries are declared 'no-tries', due to a player being "tagged" as they are about to ground the ball, and play is re-started, it is fairly easy to keep the score.
At full-time, I declared that it was a 5-all draw.
My grandson's other Grandfather was standing next to me, and felt sure the score was 6-5 to 'our boys'.

The two 14 year-old female referees scored the match 5-4 to the other team!

I had seen our players score 5 tries, said "no way", and immediately contemplated having "a chat" to the lady refs re a clarification.
I then said to a friend, "If I did that it would put me in the same class as the Scottish Rugby supporters", so I resisted the urge!!

I share your pain, Scotland!

 

[Brumby Runner]

I disagree.

If it is not meant to be read in concert then every single intercept that isn't caught cleanly would be or should be penalised.

I think you have to consider the way the laws are consistently applied here as evidence of the intention.

I agree that there is some ambiguity in the way it is phrased.

Don't know BH. The intent of the law makers might be completely different to the interpretations of referees, although I'd hope not. Personally, I'd be quite happy for all unsuccessful intercept attempts to be penalised. Such a cynical play to disrupt an attacking movement.

 

[Pfitzy]

Most Laws are written as reactionary to a situation that has arisen after the basic Law has been corrupted by the players and coaches, and they add provisos or revise it altogether.

Interpretations change much more regularly. I tried to sit through some of RWC2007 on FS2 the other day and just fucking couldn't. No phase play to speak of. Kicking! Good attacking raids stunted by what would be nowhere near a turnover these days.

There are things that still need tweaking e.g. maul. But overall the balance is still pretty good, but the refs just need a bit of alignment.