RWC QF 4 AUS v SCO (Twickenham) 19th Oct 0200 AEDT

[Pfitzy]

He's not running a race. That's a running stride for anyone going into contact. Like all great ball carriers and tackle busters.

I tried my best to get a shot from that youtube clip of the highest knee position in every stride coming into that contact.

Judge for yourself as to whether that last frame shows "normal" running knee height, based on what he did to that point. I admit he's picking up pace in the first couple of steps, but you'd be hard to find a physiologist who calls that a standard running stride, based on the placement of his plant foot. He's not sprinting with his knees up at this point, he's just a couple of metres after getting knocked down by another defender.

 

[pjm]

I don't think Bullrush is up for intellectual debate, he has his mind set.

 

[Gnostic]

He's not running a race. That's a running stride for anyone going into contact. Like all great ball carriers and tackle busters.

That's a running stride for somebody looking to strike the defender with their knee. I like Tuilagi generally but it is indefensible and it seems the ruling/judicial body thought so as well.

You picked a bad example to argue your point about PI teams getting screwed at RWC time, there a plenty of legitimate ones, this is not one of them. This is equivalent to Bismark Du Plesis elbowing Kaino? to the throat in an attempted forearm fend a couple of years ago. He got yellow for that as well (and was sent off as it was his send yellow).

 

[mudskipper]

Yup. It's history now. And to be honest the problem for the Scots was that their nerve was breaking. It was that was one seriously shit throw in.

SECOND SHOOTER THEORY....

I know its history GENTS, however indications are... looking at the footage a few more times, "the shit throw followed by the whistle", it does appear that the Scottish No 8 plays at the ball after it bounces off Phipps... It even looks to change course slightly when passing the 8 on the rear camera angle indicating he did get a figure to it which would have put the Scottish prop off side anyway... Notably The Scottish prop didnt fumble the ball so it wasn't him which made the ball appear to change course...

Nonetheless... Its was the Scots poor lineout throw with only minutes to go that blew it, opening up chance and risking the Refs intervention in play...

 

[Bullrush]

I don't think Bullrush is up for intellectual debate, he has his mind set.

Really?! And you don't?!

Lifting your knee in contact or going into contact is what all the great ball-carriers do.

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That's a running stride for somebody looking to strike the defender with their knee. I like Tuilagi generally but it is indefensible and it seems the ruling/judicial body thought so as well.

You picked a bad example to argue your point about PI teams getting screwed at RWC time, there a plenty of legitimate ones, this is not one of them. This is equivalent to Bismark Du Plesis elbowing Kaino? to the throat in an attempted forearm fend a couple of years ago. He got yellow for that as well (and was sent off as it was his send yellow).

If you read the original post, I also talked about the clear knock-on which lead to the game-winning try for Scotland just a week before.

And I also remember everyone saying how the BdP elbow was a bad call.

 

[Pfitzy]

The first three pictures you use are someone breaking OUT of contact. Different issue.

The fourth picture is someone going into contact with their foot out as well - NOT leading with the knee.

The last picture is Will Skelton - knee well below the hip, unlike Tuilagi in the last frame of my image.

its just not the same thing.

 

[Bullrush]

The first three pictures you use are someone breaking OUT of contact. Different issue.

The fourth picture is someone going into contact with their foot out as well - NOT leading with the knee.

The last picture is Will Skelton - knee well below the hip, unlike Tuilagi in the last frame of my image..

its just not the same thing.

The only difference is that to get the one frame of Tuilagi that suits you, you need to go frame-by-frame thru the video.

But again, back to my original point - where was the World Rugby condemnation for getting plenty of calls wrong, like in the Scots v Samoa game last week which directly led to the game-winning try - for PI teams.

It never happens.

 

[swingpass]

. And to be honest the problem for the Scots was that their nerve was breaking. It was that was one seriously shit throw in.

they threw the more difficult throw to the back because an earlier lineout got picked off by Simmons at the front, so just as the Scottish defence caused the errant chip kick and intercepted pass, the Aus lineout pressure caused the bad throw and the turnover ball. i agree with others, that penalty or scrum, i would have backed the Wallabies to score again before full time.

 

[pjm]

Really?! And you don't?!

Lifting your knee in contact or going into contact is what all the great ball-carriers do.

Most of those are coming out of contact, none have their knee higher than their hip like Tuilagi.

 

[cyclopath]

OK guys, the biometric leg-lifting sub-thread is way off the topic of this thread, and I think had an airing somewhere else (RWC 2015 thread???) so can we keep it to match stuff?

 

[boyo]

World Rugby should have an exhibition game where we have 7 referees on the field like in the NFL.

Everyone could have yellow flags that they can drop when they've seen an incident. The main referee can have a whistle in order to stop play.

They can then review each and every incident and ensure that they've got everything 100% correct after looking at all available camera angles.

After the game takes four hours to play and has no flow we can assign the idea to the dustbin of history and go back to having a single referee in charge of the game who makes decisions in real time (with help from the TMO for foul play and tries) and acknowledge that occasional errors will be made.

Like a man with a red flag walking ahead of a car

 

[Bullrush]

OK guys, the biometric leg-lifting sub-thread is way off the topic of this thread, and I think had an airing somewhere else (RWC 2015 thread???) so can we keep it to match stuff?

Which - again - was my original point.

How come we see these statements coming out for the 6N and RC teams but not the PI teams or any of the Tier 2 teams.

Samoa lost their last game to Scotland on a clear knock-on.....nothing.

 

[cyclopath]

Which - again - was my original point.

How come we see these statements coming out for the 6N and RC teams but not the PI teams or any of the Tier 2 teams.

Samoa lost their last game to Scotland on a clear knock-on...nothing.

Yeah, I get that, but it was going off on a pretty wild tangent from there.
Maybe the general discussion is better in the Fallout from RWC 2015 thread? I agree it has merit.

 

[Sword of Justice]

Regarding the penalty at the end of the game: it looks to me as if Joubert made a mistake, but even then I'm not sure because it is hard to see, so can anyone peg anything on him? No, he made a call to the best of his ability.

Does this probable mistake mean Australia didn't deserve to win? No, other mistakes were made by Joubert that gave Scotland points, such as an offside that wasn't called which led to a try, this is the nature of rugby, calls go either way. I think a lot of the talk on this forum is due to angst from supporters that we were gifted a victory which is definitely not the case - we played better rugby all in all and would have had another shot from a scrum if it had gone that way.

 

[Cardiffblue]

they threw the more difficult throw to the back because an earlier lineout got picked off by Simmons at the front, so just as the Scottish defence caused the errant chip kick and intercepted pass, the Aus lineout pressure caused the bad throw and the turnover ball. i agree with others, that penalty or scrum, i would have backed the Wallabies to score again before full time.

Yup. We know well how Australia keeps its nerve

 

[Strewthcobber]

Yup. We know well how Australia keeps its nerve

Just had a quick glance - Australia has scored last in every single test match so far this year, and scored a try in pretty much the last play of the game more than half of their games including Arg, SA, Eng and NZ (albeit in a flogging) Pretty remarkable.

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[Cardiffblue]

Just had a quick glance - Australia has scored last in every single test match so far this year, and scored a try in pretty much the last play of the game more than half of their games including Arg, SA, Eng and NZ (albeit in a flogging) Pretty remarkable.

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Don't I know it! I've seen quite a few of them

 

[Quick Hands]

World Rugby should have an exhibition game where we have 7 referees on the field like in the NFL.

Everyone could have yellow flags that they can drop when they've seen an incident. The main referee can have a whistle in order to stop play.

They can then review each and every incident and ensure that they've got everything 100% correct after looking at all available camera angles.

After the game takes four hours to play and has no flow we can assign the idea to the dustbin of history and go back to having a single referee in charge of the game who makes decisions in real time (with help from the TMO for foul play and tries) and acknowledge that occasional errors will be made.

Experience with NFL and NRL prove that increased use of technology doesn't lead to any less errors, just different types of errors. It still relies on human perception of an incident.

WR (World Rugby) seem to be digging a very deep hole for themselves with this increased use of TMO and replays.

The treatment of Joubert is a disgrace by WR (World Rugby) - the Refs Association should be objecting most strongly to it.

 

[Pfitzy]

Experience with NFL and NRL prove that increased use of technology doesn't lead to any less errors, just different types of errors.

Shit yes - the NRL has about 6 Rules in total (one per tackle or something, I dunno) and still get massive conTROver-see according to Rabs Warren when something doesn't go the way the fans want.

 

[Bullrush]