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RWC: IRE v FRA (POOL D) Mon 12th@2:45am

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BabyBlueElephant

Darby Loudon (17)
Hard to call this but I do expect Ireland to put in one of their best performances in the last two years. If they don't and they can't beat this French team after two years planning well then they simply don't deserve to win the tournament.
 

mxyzptlk

Colin Windon (37)
Hard to call this but I do expect Ireland to put in one of their best performances in the last two years. If they don't and they can't beat this French team after two years planning well then they simply don't deserve to win the tournament.

Wasn't the stated goal to make their first semifinal, and if they do, then all bets are off?

Saw a breakdown of recent flat performances and how they responded in the next game, going back to like 2009. There's generally and inverse response to their previous flatness, playing like destroyers the next week. As long as they don't count on that happening and actually do it, it should be a good game.

It's also likely a game that'll infuriate most SH fans. Toner's there for the lineouts and set piece. Cian Healy's starting for the crash ball work and set piece grunt. The given is SOB, POM and Best's work at the breakdown, but they'll actually need to bring that part of the game, and bring it at pace. The ball-carrying replacements are pretty much Henderson and Henry, but they left Cronin out for Strauss; Cronin's great in open play, but Strauss throws better darts, and he along with Henderson and Henry are better scavengers. That tells you they're focusing on the high ball, lineout and breakdown work throughout the 80. If they're sharp, it could be surgical. If they're not, France will enjoy trying to bust up their plays.

Watching Argentina right now, and I'm less convinced that they're as much of a threat as they were perceived to be last week. Sure they're piling the points on Namibia, but they've played very loosely, let a lot of passes and off-loads go astray, and are basically playing like Fiji 7s against a defense that isn't nearly organized enough. Maybe they're just playing at 70% because it's Namibia, but if they play like that against either Ireland or France, they'll spend a lot of time on defense.
 

Bardon

Peter Fenwicke (45)
The problem with Ireland is that we seem to almost need that flat performance to then produce a response in the next game. If we do respond today against France then there's no catalyst for a similar performance against the Pumas.
 

BabyBlueElephant

Darby Loudon (17)
Interesting that even Strauss is selected over Cronin. That really shows how important the line out will be today. That could mean mauls. That could mean starving France of possession. It could just mean some set piece moves that Schmidt lovers are desperate to see.
 

mxyzptlk

Colin Windon (37)
The problem with Ireland is that we seem to almost need that flat performance to then produce a response in the next game. If we do respond today against France then there's no catalyst for a similar performance against the Pumas.

Don't know why that is. Maybe with some more experience and success, they'll eventually get over needing that emotional burst in order to play to their potential. (Perhaps making their first semifinal would help?)
 

ChargerWA

Mark Loane (55)
Getting to see a lot more of Los Pumas now, but even with that I feel like I don't have a handle on their style.

They're more awkward than anything. They play their best off counter attack ball and strangling the other team. They're not the sort of team that would be at their best bashing up a minnow. I'm more than confident they'll be very competitive whoever they play.
 

mxyzptlk

Colin Windon (37)
Interesting that even Strauss is selected over Cronin. That really shows how important the line out will be today. That could mean mauls. That could mean starving France of possession. It could just mean some set piece moves that Schmidt lovers are desperate to see.

Strauss is the big tell, but if you look at the rest of the replacements, you can also spot Plan B and maybe Plan C.

Despite those best-laid plans, how Earls partners up with Henshaw will be telling. France will test them, but Earls has been tackling well when he's in position, and Henshaw's a big lad.
 

mxyzptlk

Colin Windon (37)
okay so as a Wallaby supporter, who do I want to win this match (aiming to meet them in the semi)?
You'll either face Ireland, France or Argentina in the semi, if you can get by Scotland (if).


If you want to try to target a grand slam, you want Ireland to beat France, so Ireland face Argentina in the QF's; then the Wallabies will face Scotland, and if both AUS and IRE win their QF games, they face each other and AUS will have faced all four home nations. (And France plays New Zealand in the QF.)

Guess it depends on what style of game you'd rather face; awkward and unpredictable (Argies), power-based with some decent passing and running (France), or structured and organized with an aerial and breakdown focus (Ireland).
 

ChargerWA

Mark Loane (55)
To be honest, I wouldn't mind missing Ireland. They're the big unknown to me. We haven't played them much since RWC11 and they are the form team of the NH.
 

Shelts89

Tom Lawton (22)
Expect Ireland to win due to their form over the last few years (despite a very restrictive game plan) but who knows with France. They always seem to turn up at world cups too! Looking forward to this one!
 

mxyzptlk

Colin Windon (37)
Expect Ireland to win due to their form over the last few years (despite a very restrictive game plan) but who knows with France. They always seem to turn up at world cups too! Looking forward to this one!

ESPN is reporting "Irish desperate to end French jinx." Considering France hasn't beaten Ireland in the last 4 Tests, I think the subeditor may have the teams reversed, but I'm sure Ireland are happy to be considered the underdogs.
 

KevinO

Geoff Shaw (53)
Then it's a god thing the 2003 and 2007 teams aren't playing today.

Just went through the records, this will be the 4th time we have played France at the World Cup. First time in the group stage though, 3 Quarter finals obviously.

We are the better side, we all know that but we just have to show up. Have never been good with the favourites tag heading into a match.
 

Benaud

Tom Lawton (22)
Not sure who to support here.

On the one hand, Ireland would be our toughest opponent and most likely to stop us progressing to the final. So France winning would be better.

On the other hand, France are much more likely than Ireland to knock out NZ in the quarters. So Ireland winning would be better.

Feels like a Princess Bride scenario. Won't know until it happens and they could have both been poisoned all along!
 

mxyzptlk

Colin Windon (37)
We are the better side, we all know that but we just have to show up. Have never been good with the favourites tag heading into a match.


Don't know if other people have seen this, but it looks like Ireland are generally the favorites by most pundits outside of Ireland. In the country itself, journalists, bloggers, twitterati, etc. are a lot more reticent, and with good historical reason.

But it'd be nice to have a little oval-ball success to back up the round-ball code's day against Germany.
 

KevinO

Geoff Shaw (53)
^^^^Ireland are a lot of peoples second team

Have been flying under the radar in Australia anyway
 
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