RWC: AUS v ENG (Twickenham): POOL A; 6am (AEDT) Sunday 4 October

[Dewald Nel]

According to tonight's TV news, Burgess left out of English 23 for their last match. He's now contemplating a return to Rugby league!

Ah, the troubles these minnows have to deal with.

 

[TOCC]

It's been the same with league converts here at the start of their tenure, with opinions varying dramatically depending on whether they play for your provincial team or not. I imagine some Bath fans think Burgess is the best thing since sliced bread. The rest of the England rugby watching public think he's toast.

Don't you need sliced break to make toast?

 

[Groucho]

Don't you need sliced break to make toast?

First you have to mix a metaphor or two.

 

[Mr Doug]

Ah, the troubles these minnows have to deal with.

English Super League was mentioned.

 

[A mutterer]

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i have no issue with Poite being insulted

in one of his best matches ever?

come now, you're starting to sound like an englishman.

 

[the plastic paddy]

Thanks for the info. When I looked at it at 0.25 speed on Youtube, I saw a few frames that I didn't see before. Unfortunately, you're 100% correct. He was leading with the knee higher than before.

If he's been doing this so often(that beastmode video for example), how is he still playing rugby? I'd have thought in England of all places, they'd have no tolerance for someone doing it that much.

Fuck no, the English league is a complete joke shop when it comes to discipline, it is the dirtiest rugby on the planet, by miles.

 

[the plastic paddy]

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i have no issue with Poite being insulted

Water off a duck's back to the man.

 

[the plastic paddy]

It's been the same with league converts here at the start of their tenure, with opinions varying dramatically depending on whether they play for your provincial team or not. I imagine some Bath fans think Burgess is the best thing since sliced bread. The rest of the England rugby watching public think he's toast.

I live 25 miles from Bath and I have yet to meet a single Bath supporter who thinks Burgess should have been anywhere near the England squad, especially as a centre when he has spent most of the season playing in the back row.

 

[notapatrioticboneinme]

...how is 1 week for a shoulder charge consistent? (

Was not Farrell's shoulder hit on Giteau similar? I'm not saying Hooper didn't deserve a suspension, just why not Farrell?

 

[mxyzptlk]

That's is not a rubbish call,it's a fucking outrage.
How is that 5 weeks & Burgess with a good old swinging arm to the head of a player without the ball is play on?
I can see this whole tournament being decided by a ridiculous call from an over officious twit.
So frustrating!

So I'm not alone in being completely confused by this call. Was saying in another thread there must be another angle we haven't seen where it clearly shows Tuilagi throwing a knee into the tackler's upper torso, because it sure doesn't look like it from that angle.

Or maybe not. Maybe this is just one of those instances where had the winger been from a larger union it wouldn't have been reviewed.

EDIT: Just watched the footage back at 1/4 speed, and on the reverse angle it really looks like he goes out of his way to lift his knee into the tackle. Can see why there's a question to be answered here.

 

[I like to watch]

Yeah,I'm certain if he was an English player it's not an issue.
I thought the Burgess shot was worse than both this,and the Hooper one.
To my eye,consistency is not evident at all.

 

[Groucho]

English Super League was mentioned.

Burgess should go back to the Rabbitohs, where's he's considered akin to a local deity, and gets to live in Sydney as a bonus.

 

[the plastic paddy]

Burgess will be on his way because, if rumours are to be believed, the other players don't like him.

 

[Cardiffblue]

Burgess will be on his way because, if rumours are to be believed, the other players don't like him.

I'd wondered about that.

 

[Sully]

Fuck no, the English league is a complete joke shop when it comes to discipline, it is the dirtiest rugby on the planet, by miles.

You've obviously never played in western Queensland.

 

[Sully]

Was not Farrell's shoulder hit on Giteau similar? I'm not saying Hooper didn't deserve a suspension, just why not Farrell?

I hear this argument a lot but I don't think it holds water. Just because another case wasn't reported or a player wasn't charged has absolutely nothing to do with the case for a similar incident.

 

[Teh Other Dave]

Burgess should go back to the Rabbitohs, where's he's considered akin to a local deity, and gets to live in Sydney as a bonus.

I will not hear a bad word uttered about Salford. Good day, sir.

 

[The_Brown_Hornet]

I feel a bit sorry for Burgess. I'm sure he didn't want any of this attention and certainly didn't ask for to be picked in two different positions by club and country. Realistically he should have had another season in the Premiership before even being looked at by the national selectors. It's not like England lack talented midfield backs.

 

[cyclopath]

I hear this argument a lot but I don't think it holds water. Just because another case wasn't reported or a player wasn't charged has absolutely nothing to do with the case for a similar incident.

Well, it does if the aim of sanctioning these type of incidents is to eliminate dangerous play. I think the question is valid - why is use of the shoulder in one instance a lesser evil? The OP wasn't suggesting Hooper didn't deserve sanction. They're either fair dinkum about removing dangerous acts from the game or they're not. It is an inconsistency.

 

[Viking]

I agree consistency is woeful.

Cooper gets a yellow for a soft head high, Then Burgess does a similar or worse incident and gets nothing.
Douglas puts a hit on a player off the ball which I think was similar to Farrells but Farrell gets yellow carded.

I think they got it the wrong way around, Farrell should have got a penalty and Burgess should have got a yellow.