RWC 2011 SF2: Australia vs. New Zealand

[bobdog]

A bit weird to invoke the ANZAC spirit when we're facing off against NZ...

They obviously do and we obviously don't OR our supreme coach doesn't understand it! The spirit to survive and win out is the Anzac spirit...and that buddy has no national borders in my understanding. It applies individually and collectively.

 

[Hugh Jarse]

And to say a bit more.....what in the f*ck was the game plan? Where in the f*ck was the the biff and the 'get off my paddock' attitude in the forwards? Zip. Nil.Nothing.It was at best an, 'Ok, we are here but don't upset my sandwich tray type of presence"! Pathetic. Pocock had a good game and tried hard. Moore was respectable. Samo was under the coconut tree! Ran around and stood around. But the rest, forget about.
Re the backs.. there was no seeming intent on why and what they were there. Genia was abysmal. Mc Cabe did as much as he was asked. Digby looked for and ran for the win. Cooper has an exceptional talent but he badly needs a small comfort zone. The blokes in the front cant give it. Off to NRL for him.

The Beale magic factor may have done the trick tonight.
As for leadership...well Horwill may be good on the farm but a leader at this level need to have nouse and a fine pointed one at that. Has he?
Doesn't look good for Deans and for a few others.

I reckon mungoball would have QC (Quade Cooper) for breakfast. He would be roadkill before SOO in his first year. Just another failed "next best thing" as we see all too often in mungoland. Credit where it is due, the coaching staff in mungoland do their homework (there isn't too much of it, after all to count to five you do not even have to use the other hand) and ruthlessly execute gameplans to exploit opposition weeknesses.

The potential is there. With maturity and a determination to learn, he can make it. Not sure that the latter is there. I hope that I am wrong.

 

[Inside Shoulder]

I reckon mungoball would have QC (Quade Cooper) for breakfast. He would be roadkill before SOO in his first year. Just another failed "next best thing" as we see all too often in mungoland. Credit where it is due, the coaching staff in mungoland do their homework (there isn't too much of it, after all to count to five you do not even have to use the other hand) and ruthlessly execute gameplans to exploit opposition weeknesses.

The potential is there. With maturity and a determination to learn, he can make it. Not sure that the latter is there. I hope that I am wrong.

well the former certainly aint.
I dont think he would have added any zeroes to his pay check in the last 4 weeks: he'd be under the sort of pressure he's been under every week in the mungoes.

 

[Scotty]

Ioane was very good with ball in hand. Pocock almost trying to do it by himself against the ab pack and a ref that was looking out for him. Horwill also did some good things.

The remainder cometely outplayed. Well done abs.

Beale would not have made a difference. Neither would Robinson or Palu. All blacks just too good.

Joubert reffed ro his usual standard, sometimes overly favoring the dominant team but consistent and on top of the game.

 

[louie]

Anyone hear what Deans said after the match? i missed it.

 

[bobdog]

Whats mungoball?

 

[Country Kid]

Age factor

I as guilty as the next person of thinking the youthful enthusiasm of our guys could carry them through - but it was more than matched by the intense desire of the older ABs (especially those with single digits on their back) to make sure the ABs would prevail. They were motivated by the hunger that comes with previous failure and bloody mindedness that comes knowing there is no second chance.

For younger Wallabies, there seemed to be a sense of a 'boys own adventure' to the whole RWC enterprise and next time round they'll be hungrier you would think. But can we keep them in the game until 2015?

 

[Inside Shoulder]

Whats mungoball?

the game they play in hell - league
Derived, as i understand it, from the time when union was amateur and league players sold their wares - mongers: like fishmongers

 

[Hugh Jarse]

Is there something in the passion thing that foreign coaches do not understand, or can not tap into that aspect of the national psyche of the country they may be coaching?

This weekend we have seen, backs to the wall, National teams coached by one of their own triumph over teams coached by foreigners.

We have had an insight to the Welsh Psyche in the last week or so from CardiffBlues presence. HTF can a blow in from the Darkness ever understand the Welsh psyche, no matter how technically proficient they may be at coaching the finer aspects of the game we all love?

Can a Welshman ever understand the Haka? Why then do they expect a Kiwi to take them to the top, drawing on the most basic instincts of being Welsh.

Same for us. It may look good from a beancounter perspective (remind me what is the profession of JO'N) to have a foreign coach running the Men in Gold, but foreigners are just doing a job. There is no gutbusting, life on the line, kill the bastards, national pride from a journeyman no matter how technically proficient they may be.

I see it all the time in business with "blow in" consultants. Guess it is no different on the sports field.

Memo to JO'N. Don't care who it is, or how much it costs, but a fucking AUSSIE must be in charge of the Wobs. Fact.

 

[Chunderstruck]

Oh well, hold your heads up WBs for trying your arses off. Incredible rugby display by NZ full credit to them, not sure if any team could've stopped that onslaught. WBs did well to keep them to a single try, thanks to the same determination shown in the SA game.

Cooper had a horrific start but he turned it around somewhat as the game went on; given how badly he usually loses his shit I feel he deserves a little bit of credit for that.

WBs just missing that 5th element needed to beat NZ, or maybe just had it smashed out of them tonight (the week before too). I think we went backwards a bit in this tournament but still a lot to be excited about with our team.

p.s. at least we have troll immunity from SA and the poms (and even Ireland to some extent)

 

[Scarfman]

Yeah, I've taken it upon myself to always call the national side over the ditch "New Zealand." At the other end of the spectrum, Robbie is always talking about "respecting the All Blacks," and "we're playing the All Blacks, so we can't make any mistakes ..." and so on. Fuck the All fucking Blacks. It's just a side from poxy New Zealand, they've got nothing on us.

The coach-from-New-Zealand-experiment has failed, let's never do it again, OK?

 

[Inside Shoulder]

Is there something in the passion thing that foreign coaches do not understand, or can not tap into that aspect of the national psyche of the country they may be coaching?

This weekend we have seen, backs to the wall, National teams coached by one of their own triumph over teams coached by foreigners.

We have had an insight to the Welsh Psyche in the last week or so from CardiffBlues presence. HTF can a blow in from the Darkness ever understand the Welsh psyche, no matter how technically proficient they may be at coaching the finer aspects of the game we all love?

Can a Welshman ever understand the Haka? Why then do they expect a Kiwi to take them to the top, drawing on the most basic instincts of being Welsh.

Same for us. It may look good from a beancounter perspective (remind me what is the profession of JO'N) to have a foreign coach running the Men in Gold, but foreigners are just doing a job. There is no gutbusting, life on the line, kill the bastards, national pride from a journeyman no matter how technically proficient they may be.

I see it all the time in business with "blow in" consultants. Guess it is no different on the sports field.

Memo to JO'N. Don't care who it is, or how much it costs, but a fucking AUSSIE must be in charge of the Wobs. Fact.

You must be right: Alan Jones' only qualification to coach Australia was that he was an Australian and while its true he did not win the 87 RWC he won us a few trinkets along the way

 

[vidiot]

Anyone hear what Deans said after the match? i missed it.

I heard it but it's odd, when I try and type it there is nothing there.

 

[bobdog]

One more thing...why in he hell is Genia standing around like a shag on a rock with a ball feed waiting.... for the ball to find an exit from the scrum rather than FACILITATING the exit when there is just 2 MINUTES to go in the game and the approaching death-nell and just 10 meters away from the line?
And same at the ruck. Why!
Ball in hand is worth more than a ball lost, is it not!
Is this a George 11?

 

[ACT Crusader]

Is there something in the passion thing that foreign coaches do not understand, or can not tap into that aspect of the national psyche of the country they may be coaching?

This weekend we have seen, backs to the wall, National teams coached by one of their own triumph over teams coached by foreigners.

We have had an insight to the Welsh Psyche in the last week or so from CardiffBlues presence. HTF can a blow in from the Darkness ever understand the Welsh psyche, no matter how technically proficient they may be at coaching the finer aspects of the game we all love?

Can a Welshman ever understand the Haka? Why then do they expect a Kiwi to take them to the top, drawing on the most basic instincts of being Welsh.

Same for us. It may look good from a beancounter perspective (remind me what is the profession of JO'N) to have a foreign coach running the Men in Gold, but foreigners are just doing a job. There is no gutbusting, life on the line, kill the bastards, national pride from a journeyman no matter how technically proficient they may be.

I see it all the time in business with "blow in" consultants. Guess it is no different on the sports field.

Memo to JO'N. Don't care who it is, or how much it costs, but a fucking AUSSIE must be in charge of the Wobs. Fact.

I don't know, but Wales keep selecting them for some reason. By my count Gatland is the third in the last decade...

 

[Tordah]

McCaw said he realised the All Blacks were through to their first final in 24 years when it came to the final scrum.

"We were packing down and I was looking at Will Genia and he said 'well done'."

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/5794943/Henry-praises-ABs-but-delivers-final-warning

great bit of sportsmanship from Genia there. Am very worried about the next few years, Wallabies definitely a team on the rise, lots of good youngsters, ABs are going to have to produce a lot of fine crop to not let you guys run away with the Bled then!

 

[François]

AB outplayed the wallabies fair and square. They are the soon to be crowned World Cup champions, and it was long overdue.

But I thought this backline probably wasn't the best Deans could have fielded. I mean I know we're a long way passed that, but I thought every time O'Connor got a touch of the ball he was able to create a little something, off loading the ball with good timing to his support runners. You want that talent in the midfield.
At the end of the day, every one can see his future is in the green and gold 12 jersey. When that will reach to Robbie Deans' brain is another issue. It's frustrating. Get him in there right now to build for the Lions tour in two years. And who else thought Ashely Cooper was a bit off in attack ? He never passed the bloody ball to his outside runners ! In France we call this a "coffre à ballon" (= ball coffer)

Appart from that, the Wallabies as a team know they still have a long way to go before they can master the game as well as the AB. 110% physical intensity, perfect tactical options, flawless technique, always look for work and ways to get involved, support of the ball carrier... The AB are true rugby masters and I don't think anyone can go near them when they play their top game.

Hats off to them

 

[maxdacat]

The coach-from-New-Zealand-experiment has failed, let's never do it again, OK?

I disagree....I hope we could always go out and get the best coach in the world. Deans may not have delivered but I don't think it's because he's a Kiwi.

 

[louie]

I heard it but it's odd, when I try and type it there is nothing there.

line of the world cup

 

[vidiot]

And who else thought Ashely Cooper was a bit off in attack ? He never passed the bloody ball to his outside runners ! In France we call this a "coffre à ballon" (= ball coffer)

Not one of his strengths. Biggest reason not to play him at 13, I would say, though usually in this backline, for whatever reason (Cooper? Deans? McCabe?) 13 doesn't have the ball in his hands very much.