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LB your last sentence is exactly my point. That somewhere else will likely be Top 14 for D2.
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LB your last sentence is exactly my point. That somewhere else will likely be Top 14 for D2.
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David Wilson (68)
Correct. In fact there are plenty of jobs where people have to work when and where their employer chooses.
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David Wilson (68)
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They don't. If they have to, may as well earn twice as much then.
Besides the Police isn't the right example. You sign up to work for the QLD Police. You don't sign up for any specific station.
In rugby you play for a franchise who is based in a single location.
Many companies make people move. That's great. I guess these players when forced with the prospect of Europe for $150k a season of the Western Force for $80k are the ones that are wrong. Maybe if we throw around enough "here in the real world" type comments they'll just accept less desirable options.
Besides the Police isn't the right example. You sign up to work for the QLD Police. You don't sign up for any specific station.
In rugby you play for a franchise who is based in a single location.
Many companies make people move. That's great. I guess these players when forced with the prospect of Europe for $150k a season of the Western Force for $80k are the ones that are wrong. Maybe if we throw around enough "here in the real world" type comments they'll just accept less desirable options.
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In that case the whole system falls apart and there's less incentive to decline overseas offers.
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Ward Prentice (10)
The draft in NZ rugby fell apart internally because players found a way to get around it making it ineffectual. After a number of farcical situations it was abandoned but not because it didn't work, just because players could find loopholes to get around to it.
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Stirling Mortlock (74)
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Ward Prentice (10)
Let me briefly explain the early NZ Super Rugby draft.
Teams were allocated a set number of "protected picks" from within their catchment area. I believe about 20.
Because a squad needs 28 they were required to get their remaining 8 players from the "Draft Player Pool" made up of all players in the country who didn't get a "protected" contract.
This meant a lot of players moving across the county, hard decisions made and players who struggled to make one squad became a star on another.
The system became unstuck when players realised they could get around the rules by signing up playing ITM Cup or club rugby in another province and then becoming one of the "horses traded" by this coach. You see coaches did back room deals to trade protected players for draft picks and so on. Alot of this went on and club Rugby and ITM Cup teams became a shambles until the NZRU admitted it had to stop and coaches could pick all their own players
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Teams were allocated a set number of "protected picks" from within their catchment area. I believe about 20.
Because a squad needs 28 they were required to get their remaining 8 players from the "Draft Player Pool" made up of all players in the country who didn't get a "protected" contract.
This meant a lot of players moving across the county, hard decisions made and players who struggled to make one squad became a star on another.
The system became unstuck when players realised they could get around the rules by signing up playing ITM Cup or club rugby in another province and then becoming one of the "horses traded" by this coach. You see coaches did back room deals to trade protected players for draft picks and so on. Alot of this went on and club Rugby and ITM Cup teams became a shambles until the NZRU admitted it had to stop and coaches could pick all their own players
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Peter Sullivan (51)
I dont see how it can't be set up where each year on a set date the ARU has a "sign up" day with a skills and physical assessment by interested parties.
This allows for players who make a decision to become a Pro rugby player in Australia and sign to the ARU.
I would like to see some sort of transfer fee involved to allow those who paid for development get something.
If you want to chance your arm overseas good luck but you would have to hope an overseas team picks you up from school or amateur club.
I would imagine a set up where a drafted player signs with the ARU who directs the player to a Super Rugby team who then directs the player to a NRC team, then to a club.
This allows for players who make a decision to become a Pro rugby player in Australia and sign to the ARU.
I would like to see some sort of transfer fee involved to allow those who paid for development get something.
If you want to chance your arm overseas good luck but you would have to hope an overseas team picks you up from school or amateur club.
I would imagine a set up where a drafted player signs with the ARU who directs the player to a Super Rugby team who then directs the player to a NRC team, then to a club.
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Ward Prentice (10)
The proposal in New Zealand was to have such a "day" at the end of the NRC/Mitre 10 Cup. I ready for the next season.
One the "good" problems in New Zealand is that coaches recruit heavily throughout the Mitre 10 Cup so you might only be left with "discarded" players by the end unless you place some restrictions on recruitment such as age (i.e an U20 draft)
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One the "good" problems in New Zealand is that coaches recruit heavily throughout the Mitre 10 Cup so you might only be left with "discarded" players by the end unless you place some restrictions on recruitment such as age (i.e an U20 draft)
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David Wilson (68)
The only incentive at the moment to decline overseas offers is the hope of a Wallaby jersey. No matter what their level of talent, every professional rugby player in Australia could earn more in Europe or Japan than they could playing for the Wallabies.
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