Dan54
David Wilson (68)
Yep, I was trying not to remind myself
. To be honest mate, in one way it makes it fun, more chance of upsets?
Rugby World Cup 2023
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. To be honest mate, in one way it makes it fun, more chance of upsets?wamberal99
Jim Clark (26)
Fun?Yep, I was trying not to remind myself
Brumby Runner
Jason Little (69)
But what are the ongoing effects of teams like the Wallabies, Argentina or England finishing 3rd and 4th (or higher) while clearly better teams like NZ, SA, Ireland, France or Scotland finish in the 5 - 8 rankings?
Despite the rankings, I don't think Scotland make the "clearly better" cut-off. The top 4 really are in a different category though, for sure.
Yoda
Cyril Towers (30)
Well. I think most rugby pundits realise that the World Cup winners aren’t necessarily the best team in the World. More the ones that have played the best over the tournament. The drawer, some luck and as always, refereeing decisions all come into it.
The Ghost of Raelene
Simon Poidevin (60)
Hasn’t really ever been won by someone outside the top 4 though. Closest effort would be France 2011? Wallabies 2015 caught fire at the right time.
wamberal99
Jim Clark (26)
But things do go mostly to plan for an AB fan.
KOB1987
John Eales (66)
I don't think there are any ongoing effects per se, the RWC carries double points and normal transmission will have resumed following the next RC and 6N series. However, without going through the exercise of working it out, whichever of the 3 'clearly worse' sides make the semis and then subsequently loses they will probably drop back below those current top 4 sides anyway. If they were to win the semi they would go above them, but you would think that is then justified as they will have to defeat a higher ranked side.
dru
David Wilson (68)
Sure, in terms of the bands it would clearly be Band 1: NZ, SA, France, Ireland. BUT it would be band 2 Scotland, Argentina, Australia, England - with Scotland easily, (I think) leading that band.
I don't think that's a holistic view of the impacts. It's about sporting credibility. Imagine if something like this happened in the Football World Cup, or a Tennis Open. Perhaps the ramifications won't amount to much, but I suspect they deserve to.
Not that I think anything other than the WBs should rip in with their advantage to the full.
Dctarget
Tim Horan (67)
Scotland's overrated. They benefit from who they play. They consistently get battered by France and Ireland, they trade wins with England and they beat Italy and Wales. They lost their series to Argentina, lost to Wales and Aus last year and only beat England by 3 at home.
Haven't beaten NZ or SA in how long?
Haven't beaten NZ or SA in how long?
dru
David Wilson (68)
Now play the same negativity against Australia, Wales and England. Then choose who sits on top. I'm sticking with Scotland.
dusk
Vay Wilson (31)
Mate, we haven't won the bledisloe for 21 years. We are in no position to talk about Scotland. The rankings alone speak for themself.
True, but put it in context - how many teams would win it when :-
*The ABs start by holding it
*Often only 2 Tests
*You need to win both to get it
*1 of those is almost always played at Eden Park
I reckon the Bokke might well; Ireland recently could have but no certainty.
The Bledisloe is our bellwether but maybe it's a bit of a skew.
Still sucks we have not had our hands on it for so long!!
The Chairman
Phil Hardcastle (33)
someday............ someday
Dctarget
Tim Horan (67)
Umm not really. A bunch of French celebrities doing a cliche dance movement with loaves of bread.
Herman Winchester
Banned
Which France will turn up?
The Ghost of Raelene
Simon Poidevin (60)
Odd start but finished alright. Wouldn't bother though.